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Nemanja Filipovi... Nemanja Filipovic View Member Profile	Mar 13 2008, 12:24 AM
Mar 13 2008, 12:24 AM	Singing Instructor Posts: 3.391 Joined: 23-January 08	Reading the post of JVM in theard "wrighting music" massterclassguitar forum.... made me wonder... is it necesary to knowe theory to play(operantly not)....but does it help... what do you think? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my video lessons and instructor board! Participate im my new Crazy Blues Collaboration

Ivan Milenkovic View Member Profile	Mar 13 2008, 12:35 AM
Mar 13 2008, 12:35 AM	Instructor Posts: 25.396 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	We had this several topics regarding this and again my answer is - yes, theory is very useful, it is the "language of the musicians" and musicians can comunicate better when knowing theory, whetter they write it on paper, or just use theory terms to describe what they do and play. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE - Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)

Hisham Al-Sanea View Member Profile	Mar 13 2008, 12:38 AM
Mar 13 2008, 12:38 AM	Instructor Posts: 4.085 Joined: 19-October 07 From: middle east / lebanon	its very important You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- email me *my video lessons* *instructor board*

Nemanja Filipovi... Nemanja Filipovic View Member Profile	Mar 13 2008, 12:39 AM
Mar 13 2008, 12:39 AM	Singing Instructor Posts: 3.391 Joined: 23-January 08	QUOTE (Milenkovic Ivan @ Mar 13 2008, 12:35 AM) We had this several topics regarding this and again my answer is - yes, theory is very useful, it is the "language of the musicians" and musicians can comunicate better when knowing theory, whetter they write it on paper, or just use theory terms to describe what they do and play. I agree...for example if you play and in range of one scale..yuo shoud knowe all the chords in range of that scale befor you modulate....for me it is easyer that way..... p.s....did not knowe ther was topics on this subject...sory You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my video lessons and instructor board! Participate im my new Crazy Blues Collaboration

Ivan Milenkovic View Member Profile	Mar 13 2008, 01:19 AM
Mar 13 2008, 01:19 AM	Instructor Posts: 25.396 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	Off course, knowing all the scales and harmony is a must, also knowing other stuff and communicating with others like "play staccato, or alternate here, and economy there" or play "forte" this part... - means something precise and mesaure-able so people can understand each other better. THat's my point of view. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE - Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)

JVM View Member Profile	Mar 13 2008, 01:30 AM
Mar 13 2008, 01:30 AM	Learning Roadie Posts: 2.878 Joined: 2-June 07 From: Raleigh-Durham, NC	QUOTE (Milenkovic Ivan @ Mar 12 2008, 08:19 PM) Off course, knowing all the scales and harmony is a must, also knowing other stuff and communicating with others like "play staccato, or alternate here, and economy there" or play "forte" this part... - means something precise and mesaure-able so people can understand each other better. THat's my point of view. I think that most serious guitar players will pick up terms like stacatto and different types of picking (which is more a technique than theory isn't it?). At the same time I think the most important aspect of theory is learning intervals and ear training. I just think there is an over emphasis on learning scales. Scales are nice, scales are good, but learning to hear what is going on is often overlooked for new players. That is the technique that makes Marty and Jimi for example so good. This should be combined with a knowledge of scales. You should be able to pick out and know the key you are in at all times for example. I'm not saying theory is totally garbage though You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Gear: Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster, Gibson '67 RI Flying V, Mesa Boogie F-30 112 combo, crazy pedals.

Guitarman700 View Member Profile	Mar 13 2008, 02:37 AM
Mar 13 2008, 02:37 AM	GMC:er Posts: 1.462 Joined: 20-April 07 From: Traverse City, Michigan, USA	i would say, yes, very important. every time i learn something new in theory, my playing improves noticeably. ive started studying theory more than ever lately, as im not happy with my current level of knowledge. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Gear: Guitars: Fender Standard Stratocaster HSS Jackson Dinky Custom Washburn WG-587 7-String LTD EX-50 Kramer Focus 6000 Amps: Peavey Vypyr 30 Marshall MG10KK Kerry King 10 Watt

RIP Dime View Member Profile	Mar 13 2008, 03:21 AM
Mar 13 2008, 03:21 AM	GMC:er Posts: 1.063 Joined: 2-October 06 From: Hawaii	Theory can be a great asset, guitarists who don't take advantage of it may take much longer to improve in all areas of playing. The main goal for me as a guitar player is to make good music, if I didn't have the knowledge of theory I do now it would be harder for me to make good music. When I make songs I don't really pay attention to the theory side of playing, I just play what sounds cool to me, but my knowledge of theory helps me find out what's going on, and why it sounds cool, and that helps me build on top of ideas and come up with things that sound better and are more interesting. I also wouldn't be very good at translating ideas in my head into music if I didn't know theory. That's why i think theory is good to know. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! --------------------

Trond Vold View Member Profile	Mar 13 2008, 03:53 AM
Mar 13 2008, 03:53 AM	Instructor Posts: 3.497 Joined: 16-February 08 From: Norge!	I would say that you can become a relatively good guitarist/musician with little to no theory knowledge, and in some cases.. freakishly good, like in Marty Friedmans case. But i think at "relatively good" is where it will stop for most of us if we dont know much theory. Becoming familiar with the scales will push you alot further. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Guitars: Schecter Stiletto Classic, Jackson SLSMG, Ibanez RG-380 Japan, Gibson Les Paul Studio Amp: Marshall JMP-1 -> Rocktron Velocity 100 -> Marshall JCM-900 Lead 4x12 FX and stomps: T.C Electronics G-Sharp, Korg SDD-1200, Emma Transmorgrifier, BYOC Tribooster, GGG Green Ringer, Dinosaur Overdrive, Voodoo Lab SuperFuzz, Sovtek Bassballs, Line6 Tap Tremolo, EHX Screaming Bird. ___________________________________________________ My Lessons! My Instructor Board! My Myspace!

Juan M. Valero View Member Profile	Mar 13 2008, 07:48 AM
Mar 13 2008, 07:48 AM	Instructor Posts: 4.270 Joined: 6-August 07 From: Girona - Spain	it's important for playing but it's more important for writing music You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Visit : www.myspace.com/juanmvalero Video lessons ; Instructor board ; Recording lessons

demonmyst View Member Profile	Mar 13 2008, 08:08 AM
Mar 13 2008, 08:08 AM	GMC:er Posts: 28 Joined: 2-January 08 From: Florida, USA	I wish I forced myself to learn theory. I learned some just by playing, but I'm clueless as to what scales I know, some of my techniques and stuff. I'm trying to figure out more things, but lazyness rules over me. Which is the reason why I have such a low post count and only spent a few hours on here out of 2 months or maybe a bit more! :[ Edit- Actually thinking that over....I know most of my technique names, I know most of the minor scale and major scale shapes I can improvise on them, and a few other scales, but I never know what key I'm in for the life of me! Probably one of the popular ones like E I assume. I have Guitar Grimoire scales and modes, I should probably make use of it. There's also all the shapes I need to know, ah! Theory is soooooo gigantic! Then after shapes it's what comes OUT of the box. Psch....silly musical theory. On my piece, knowing the names of things helps you sound like you know your instrument :] You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by demonmyst: Mar 13 2008, 03:07 PM

demonmyst View Member Profile	Mar 13 2008, 08:10 AM
Mar 13 2008, 08:10 AM	GMC:er Posts: 28 Joined: 2-January 08 From: Florida, USA	Accident double post... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by demonmyst: Mar 13 2008, 08:11 AM

Marcus Lavendell View Member Profile	Mar 13 2008, 09:07 AM
Mar 13 2008, 09:07 AM	Instructor Posts: 2.537 Joined: 27-May 07 From: Gothenburg, Sweden	Yes. Theory is important, because it's a part of music... but it's only a part, and you can do well if you just know the very basic stuff, as already mentioned. But don't get me wrong, of course it's better to know the theory than not knowing it You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- I use Elixir® Strings Check out my video lessons and instructor board!

Andrew Cockburn View Member Profile	Mar 13 2008, 12:55 PM
Mar 13 2008, 12:55 PM	Moderation Policy Director Posts: 10.459 Joined: 6-February 07 From: CT, USA	You can use theory in a couple of different ways ... Firstly, if you are an experienced player but know no theory, once you start to learn it it can explain things you have been doing all along - for instance, a lot of us will instinctively use modes such as Dorian and Mixolydian without knowing it. Whilst its nice to understand that you are doing things, it is still after the fact. But once you learn some theory, you can start to put it in front of the process and do these things deliberately from the standpoint of knowledge, then the benefit becomes that you can take your playing to new places through deliberate application of theory techniques, at which point you start to get some value out of it. If you limit yourself to the first scenario, it comes down to how good you are at fumbling through the dark - some are very good, others are hopeless. Learning theory puts a light on, and you don't need to fumble anymore! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile Live long and prosper ... My Stuff: Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 Bass Acoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 Nylon Effects : Line6 Helix, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Keeley OxBlood Amps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab

mattacuk View Member Profile	Mar 13 2008, 04:01 PM
Mar 13 2008, 04:01 PM	Lets go fishing! Posts: 5.526 Joined: 21-December 06 From: illinois	Fantastic topic And my answer is .... yes it is important to know you theory I just dont belive in over complicating things with it. We get alot of new guitarist who stress themselves out with trying to learn complex theory too fast!! I belive that practice should come first, and theory a littler later - when you are ready to take it in. For me time/rythm is the best place to start of with. This is because undestanding rythm enables a new player to use his/her metronome effectivly, thus practicing efficently right from the start!! Once he or she has been practicing exercises and peices of music correctly for a while, then he/she will be in a good positiong to understand theory basics more redaly. Intervals are a great place to start because you learn to build chord progressions and start being Creative. In short, I belive you should make theory work for YOU, and not you working for it You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- *mysql> SELECT FROM master_name WHERE ((firstname = 'Paul') AND (lastname = 'Gilbert')); "The Fundimental Difference between Paul Gilbert and Buckethead is that Paul Explores the Good side of the force, while Buckethead Explores the Dark Side of the Force" :)**

OrganisedConfusi... OrganisedConfusion View Member Profile	Mar 13 2008, 04:05 PM
Mar 13 2008, 04:05 PM	GMC:er Posts: 5.635 Joined: 29-November 07 From: Nottingham, UK	You don't need to know any theory whatsoever to write music. I know no music theory. Well I know a little more than I did when I wrote our EP. It's all about being able to hear the music and tab out what you hear. Having a good set of ears is much better than knowing theory. Knowing theory can make you choose the obvious choice for a note whereas not knowing theory maybe you'll pick a strange note that works really well in context of the song you are doing. Music Theory lets you write songs quicker but they aren't necessarily going to be better. I'm a firm believer in trusting your ears and the music you hear. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Gear Guitars:- Caparison Horus Snowcloud, Parker Nitefly M, Parker Nitefly SA, Gibson SG, Parker P10e, 40 Year Old Spanish Acoustic Amps:- Framus Ruby Riot 2x12" stack

Robin View Member Profile	Mar 13 2008, 04:26 PM
Mar 13 2008, 04:26 PM	GMC:er Posts: 2.483 Joined: 9-January 07 From: Alta, Norway	Theory is not "very important" at all IMO. But i suppose its still pretty good to know. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Robin Myspace - Creep Colony Myspace - Creep Colony - Paralyzed

Chris Evans View Member Profile	Mar 13 2008, 04:43 PM
Mar 13 2008, 04:43 PM	Learning Tone Guru - Community Coordinator & Moderator Posts: 6.319 Joined: 24-September 07 From: Sittingbourne, UK	I dont put a huge emphasis on theory either although I do have some ground knowledge, I think Andrews answer here is spot on for me, I`ve fumbled around for a long time, but now applying some theory "before" the event gives some extra options that may have been overlooked before or at least not found as quickly, I mix the two really, ears and theory. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Show us what part of the world you live in and get yourself ON THE GMC:er Location MAP

Guitarman700 View Member Profile	Mar 13 2008, 06:15 PM
Mar 13 2008, 06:15 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.462 Joined: 20-April 07 From: Traverse City, Michigan, USA	this is becoming an interesting discussion. perhaps it should be stickied. perhaps with a short bullet point summary of the pros and cons of theory. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by Guitarman700: Mar 13 2008, 06:15 PM -------------------- My Gear: Guitars: Fender Standard Stratocaster HSS Jackson Dinky Custom Washburn WG-587 7-String LTD EX-50 Kramer Focus 6000 Amps: Peavey Vypyr 30 Marshall MG10KK Kerry King 10 Watt

SLASH91 View Member Profile	Mar 13 2008, 06:26 PM
Mar 13 2008, 06:26 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.259 Joined: 6-June 07 From: Louisiana	I don't even know any scales, I just havn't made myself sit down and learn them. It's so boring imo. I never wan't to learn how to construct chords or anything like that, but I really do need to learn some scales and memorize the fretboard. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- "Remember to live, eat, sleep and breathe music for the mind, play from your heart and never be swayed by the current trends"- Rusty Cooley My gear: Marshall Valvstate Digitech Distortion Factory Jackson RR24 (Randy Rhoads) Ibanez RG2550e A ripoff brand acoustic guitar and a Yamaha Classical guitar :)

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