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Dec 1 2009, 06:51 AM
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The American Strats come with these:
Fender / Schaller deluxe staggered cast / sealed locking tuning machines. I have no issues of any kind, they simply work. I haven't been using the tremolo a lot, but my bridge is floating always and I have no problems with tuning. Perhaps you could get these to go in your YM strat. -------------------- "I dreamed a lot when I was younger.. I'm older now but still I hunger For some understanding. There's no understanding, now. Was there ever? ...Joe Puerta (Ambrosia)... Finally got a YouTube page going. |
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Gear: Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster, Gibson '67 RI Flying V, Mesa Boogie F-30 112 combo, crazy pedals.|
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Dec 1 2009, 08:36 AM
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It really doesn't matter, both Sperzels and Schallers are excellent. I think Schallers is a little cheaper though.... but be careful to check the width if You order them online, since stock Fender tuners has a narrower width than than the usual lockable tuners... I didn't, and had to drill the neck instead...
 (there are lockable that will fit...)//Staffay --------------------  Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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Dec 1 2009, 02:56 PM
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I got sperzels on my Carvin and they are great, stays in tune for a lot of more time than regular tuners. Also you will notice the difference when changing strings.
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Dec 1 2009, 05:42 PM
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Sperzels are great, rock solid, and changing strings it's quicker
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Dec 1 2009, 07:35 PM
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My strat came with Schaller locking tuners, they stay in tune pretty well and I don't need to wind and wind the strings any more. I like them
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Dec 1 2009, 08:16 PM
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I have both Sperzels and Schallers on my strats, and I can't really say that there is no difference in handling or quality. Both will improve the tuning, but the trem setup is even more critical imo. It's very hard to get a vintage strat trem to stay in tune unless You allow it to rest on the body... (and even if so, there's tuning problems if You use the trem to offensive) The trems that hangs on just two screws is far better than Fender's stock, and will stay in tune much better....
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Dec 2 2009, 08:28 AM
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QUOTE (Gary @ Dec 2 2009, 04:29 AM)  Thanks to all for the replies posted here. Looks like a worthwhile investment so I am going to order a set.. not sure which ones yet but from the input gathered it seems that either of the brands discussed will be fine. Staffay - When I bought the guitar new the tremelo was floating a bit and the guitar tech I used recommended mounting the tremelo flat against the body to increase sustain etc. I agreed and now the guitar is set up this way. Although I do not use the whammy bar that much I was a bit impressed that the guitar stayed in tune amazingly well prior to mounting the tremelo flat. Once the tremelo was set flat it seems the guitar falls out of tune much faster when the whammy bar is used. This is with the standard Fender "F" vintage tuners and the Fender synchronized tremelo unit. It could be a big coincidence though.. factor in older strings etc. Thanks again for all the input. Gary Hmmm, sounds a little strange to me.... One thing that is really important when using trems, is to stretch the strings when putting on new one's - eg. pull the string sidewise and stretch it , retune and repeat until it stays in tune, or You can perform some crazy bends Maybe the tech didn't screw the springs hard enough??? Also note that if You are changing string thickness or even brand, the trem must most likely been set up again.... //Staffay -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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Dec 3 2009, 01:16 AM
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Aloha Gary,
I should update you on my YM strat. (If you ordered yours around the same time as I ordered mine... does that make them brothers?  ) I also had some tuning issues with the strat, and I began to look at the bridge and not the tuners for help. I discovered the HIPSHOT as well as the ESP arming adjuster http://joe.emenaker.com/TremStabilizers/ESP.html Both are designed to help stabilize the bridge!!! Hmmmmm... so I did my home work and decided to try the ESP version, which I guess is what Steve Vai uses (or something close to it) and bought it through a friend who was traveling to Japan. It turns out that it's difficult to find in the USA due to a licensing issue with Gibson. Turns out Gibson (go figure...?) owns a patent that is identical? or very close to what ESP is using for floating bridge stabilization. So you can find it online for purchase, but I only found one guy who carries it, and he charges $60. I got mine from japan for $25 Hmmmmm. But worth every penny!!! It really helps. The idea is similar to a piston that pushes, only this one pushes the bridge away from the body (up) vs. the springs pulling the bridge towards the body (down). You set it up so there is a balance and voila! It works as advertised! So anyway I read reviews of the hipshot and decided that it was not as well made and did not transfer sustain nearly as well as the arming adjuster by esp. It works on most bridges, Vintage fender or floyd rose... so I can recommend it to anybody with tuning issues surrounding tremolo styled bridges  Anyhow, the locking tuners ( I own sperzels) really make string changes so much easier! But just so you know, stings don't need to be stretched! Locking tuners are in tune within one revolution. Strings need to settle into their windings and continue to "slip" not stretch, after being installed on conventional tuners. Locking tuners are in tune (instantly) and stay that way within one revolution of the tuner. Good luck with your search and let me know how it shakes out!!! And the Deep fried Turkey was GREAT!!! I might need to do another one for Christmas! Robert This post has been edited by Hammerhead: Dec 3 2009, 01:20 AM
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Dec 3 2009, 02:00 AM
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QUOTE (Hammerhead @ Dec 3 2009, 01:16 AM) Aloha Gary, I should update you on my YM strat. (If you ordered yours around the same time as I ordered mine... does that make them brothers? ) I also had some tuning issues with the strat, and I began to look at the bridge and not the tuners for help. I discovered the HIPSHOT as well as the ESP arming adjuster http://joe.emenaker.com/TremStabilizers/ESP.html Robert Nice info , I haven't seen this one before, but there is also one called "No-Trem" that "locks" the trem when not used and also can drop the low to D, but I haven't got the opportunity to try it...//Staffay -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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Dec 3 2009, 07:59 AM
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QUOTE (Hammerhead @ Dec 3 2009, 02:10 AM) Staffy.... I think you should get a strat, yes you have to pay for it but think of the money you will save on other guitars once you have your strat. I have always wanted one and I saved for 5 years to make it happen. I have to say it is a great guitar! (ummmm... sometimes I still look at other guitars.... but not as much now!) It's almost Christmas... you have an excuse..... And the ESP device really makes a big difference. Robert Hehe I already own three strats, including a hand-crafted John Suhr strat. The signature is a joke, since I think Fenders prizes for their master-built instruments is ridiculous...... and I dont think I will save any money by buying one of these when You can get 3 other guitars that is on par for the same money.... The only one that could possibly stand up against my Suhr is a masterbuilt that I've tried in Copenhagen.... //Staffay -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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Dec 3 2009, 09:57 AM
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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Dec 3 2009, 09:21 AM) The problem with locking tuners I find is that they take much longer to keep a guitar in tune after getting new strings but when they do get to stay in tune they will stay in tune for months without even having to tune the guitar lol. Thats why I always stretch them as hard as possible when putting new one's on.... but mine just lasts some couple of weeks...  //Staffay -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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Dec 3 2009, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE (OrganisedConfusion @ Dec 3 2009, 09:59 AM) I do stretch them but they really seem to not want to stay in tune for up to a week after changing strings. Maybe it's just my guitar but it sure is irritating. I do prefer older strings though also. Hmm, I dont really know what You mean by "stays in tune", You cant expect a guitar to stay perfectly in tune from one day to another, most likely You have to fine-tune it every time You should use it... and strats with trems/bolt on necks, are even more sensitive to humidity, has more moving parts etc. than a Les Paul for example. But it shall remains in tune for some songs at least imo. //Staffay -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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