Breaking Past Powerchords - Lesson Request
jer
Sep 11 2008, 01:15 PM
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Powerchords.

Love em. Hate em.

I'm stuck.

If I pick up the guitar to jam along with a drum track I fall back on powerchords every time. And guess what? All my riffs sound the same.

Then I turn on music by bands like Opeth, In Flames, Soilwork, Queensryche, & Iron Maiden and I hear rich full chords in parts that really make the bands sound.

I don't know how to do that. mad.gif

I know a lot of the "cowboy chords" but we all know you arent going to get a decent sound playing a full on open C chord with high gain. tongue.gif

So where do these other chords come from? This is what I fail to learn and add to my pallette.

So here is my idea for a lesson. huh.gif

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*Take a powerchord riff. Any powerchord riff over a simple drum backing and show how you can use "other" chords in place of the powerchords to give it a different vibe.

Start with the powerchord version then begin changing it up wth other chord styles.


Thanks for listening!

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Yes, a lesson like this would help many people!

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Sep 11 2008, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE (RIP Dime @ Sep 11 2008, 08:34 AM) *
Yes, a lesson like this would help many people!


I'd like to keep it simple at first.

Lets say I'm writing a basic rock chord progression in Emin.

The minor scale formula is w,h,w,w,h,w,w So E min would be E,F#,G,A,B,C,D,E

What I would normally do is play 2 note powerchords (root and 5th - so they are not minor OR major) based on those notes.

E powerchord
F# powerchord
G powerchord

etc....

I ouldnt use all of them, but those are the 7 I'd have in my back pocket.

What I'm looking for are alternatives to these. I do relaize that by straying from root/5th powerchords (diads really) I'll be dictating what leads will fit nicely over the top. Since we'll be adding in notes that will steer this in a particular direction.

Am I thinking right here????

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QUOTE (jer @ Sep 11 2008, 03:42 PM) *
I'd like to keep it simple at first.

Lets say I'm writing a basic rock chord progression in Emin.

The minor scale formula is w,h,w,w,h,w,w So E min would be E,F#,G,A,B,C,D,E

What I would normally do is play 2 note powerchords (root and 5th - so they are not minor OR major) based on those notes.

E powerchord
F# powerchord
G powerchord

etc....

I ouldnt use all of them, but those are the 7 I'd have in my back pocket.

What I'm looking for are alternatives to these. I do relaize that by straying from root/5th powerchords (diads really) I'll be dictating what leads will fit nicely over the top. Since we'll be adding in notes that will steer this in a particular direction.

Am I thinking right here????


If you stray off the rootscale with your P.chords, yes, that's modulating.

And, a powerchord won't work for every degree.
Locrian, because it has a diminished 5th.

So, anyway, you can use 6 powerchords and still stick to one scale. Naturally you can change octaves though.

And by the way, if you stick to the minor progression, it will sound minor even though you don't have a minor 3rd in your powerchord.

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QUOTE (kjutte @ Sep 11 2008, 08:46 AM) *
And, a powerchord won't work for every degree.
Locrian, because it has a diminished 5th.


Bear with me, I'm new still. wink.gif

The Locrian reference is for the 7th degree yes?

The D?

Isnt a D powerchord just D and A?

And both notes are part of the Emin scale arent they?

So why wouldnt a powerchord work for the 7th degree too?


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QUOTE (jer @ Sep 11 2008, 03:53 PM) *
Bear with me, I'm new still. wink.gif

The Locrian reference is for the 7th degree yes?

The D?

Isnt a D powerchord just D and A?

And both notes are part of the Emin scale arent they?

So why wouldnt a powerchord work for the 7th degree too?


Because the seventh degree has, IF we're in major (because only major has a diminished 7th degree. Minor (or aeolian) would have locrian to be its II degree.)

Anyway. Locrian, or the diminished chord degree, has a:

R, b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7.

And a powerchord is R+5, not b5.

So, what you could do is just lower the 5th note and make it a D/b5, instead of a D5. Get it?
Locrian is the only degree with a diminished 5th.

Edit:
OHH, and (D) is just a note. A powerchord is called X5, because it's the root and the fith note.

plus, in your minor progression, the F# is the diminished degree.
So it will be a F#/b5 chord. Which is a diminished chord.


Edit again:
and to make you uderstand the degree stuff...

Minor is the 6th degree of major, so if you wanna use minor as root, then it will be Imin, IIdim etc. the whole progression changes.

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So if I want to stay within the key of Emin, I technically (yes, I know anything that sounds good is fine) cant play a D5?

Even though both notes, D and A are in the Emin scale?

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- jer   Breaking Past Powerchords - Lesson Request   Sep 11 2008, 01:15 PM
- - audiopaal   I think this would be a great idea for a lesson   Sep 11 2008, 01:31 PM
- - opeth.db   That sounds like an awesome idea for a video lesso...   Sep 11 2008, 01:40 PM
- - kjutte   Well, it depends on what you want. Personally I a...   Sep 11 2008, 02:32 PM
|- - kjutte   QUOTE (jer @ Sep 11 2008, 04:04 PM) So if...   Sep 11 2008, 03:06 PM
|- - jer   I did read it again. I was under the understandi...   Sep 11 2008, 03:13 PM
|- - kjutte   QUOTE (jer @ Sep 11 2008, 04:13 PM) I did...   Sep 11 2008, 03:16 PM
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- - Kapto   I recently took this lesson up http://www.guitarma...   Sep 11 2008, 03:10 PM
|- - jer   QUOTE (Kapto @ Sep 11 2008, 09:10 AM) I r...   Sep 11 2008, 03:19 PM
||- - kjutte   QUOTE (jer @ Sep 11 2008, 04:19 PM) That ...   Sep 11 2008, 03:24 PM
||- - jer   OK. Let me re-word the lesson then. QUOTE I wa...   Sep 11 2008, 03:36 PM
||- - kjutte   QUOTE (jer @ Sep 11 2008, 04:36 PM) OK. ...   Sep 11 2008, 03:38 PM
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|- - Scott Gentzen   QUOTE (Kapto @ Sep 11 2008, 10:10 AM) I r...   Sep 11 2008, 08:23 PM
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- - Toroso   Hmmmmm..... (Cogitating on all this....)   Sep 11 2008, 03:17 PM
- - Ivan Milenkovic   I suggest learning a catchy melody and add fifths ...   Sep 11 2008, 06:07 PM
- - jer   I can come up with all the powerchord progressions...   Sep 11 2008, 06:22 PM
- - Rated Htr   Maybe you mean adding lead to rythm?   Sep 11 2008, 07:46 PM
|- - jer   QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Sep 11 2008, 01:46 PM)...   Sep 11 2008, 07:51 PM
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- - Rated Htr   Well, as kjutte said, if you know how to add more ...   Sep 11 2008, 07:56 PM
|- - jer   QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Sep 11 2008, 01:56 PM)...   Sep 11 2008, 07:58 PM
|- - kjutte   QUOTE (jer @ Sep 11 2008, 08:58 PM) Alter...   Sep 11 2008, 07:59 PM
|- - jer   QUOTE (kjutte @ Sep 11 2008, 01:59 PM) na...   Sep 11 2008, 08:07 PM
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- - Rated Htr   For example Opeth, in the beginning of the music A...   Sep 11 2008, 08:05 PM
|- - kjutte   QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Sep 11 2008, 09:05 PM)...   Sep 11 2008, 08:06 PM
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- - Rated Htr   QUOTE (kjutte @ Sep 11 2008, 08:06 PM) A5...   Sep 11 2008, 08:12 PM
- - jer   the powerchord sound is what I am trying to stray ...   Sep 11 2008, 08:39 PM
|- - Andrew Cockburn   QUOTE (jer @ Sep 11 2008, 03:39 PM) The c...   Sep 11 2008, 08:42 PM
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- - Rated Htr   Here's an example, my chord theory is ont the ...   Sep 11 2008, 08:44 PM
|- - jer   Andrew: Thanks! That helps. Drop the 5th back ...   Sep 11 2008, 08:52 PM
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- - Rated Htr   Hmm, let me ask you, do you know how to make chord...   Sep 11 2008, 08:59 PM
|- - jer   QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Sep 11 2008, 02:59 PM)...   Sep 11 2008, 09:09 PM
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- - Rated Htr   It kinda depends on what you want...All the bands ...   Sep 11 2008, 09:21 PM
|- - jer   QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Sep 11 2008, 03:21 PM)...   Sep 11 2008, 09:30 PM
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- - Rated Htr   Well, give me another music than, one that has man...   Sep 11 2008, 09:34 PM
|- - jer   QUOTE (Rated Htr @ Sep 11 2008, 03:34 PM)...   Sep 11 2008, 09:41 PM
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- - Sami   Hey A technique i love is using root + 3rd chords....   Sep 11 2008, 09:48 PM
|- - jer   Good info! Root and third. Perfect 4th. We...   Sep 11 2008, 09:58 PM
|- - kjutte   QUOTE (jer @ Sep 11 2008, 10:58 PM) Good ...   Sep 14 2008, 10:58 AM
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- - Rated Htr   Man, istead of giving songs, try giving shapes lik...   Sep 11 2008, 10:36 PM
- - Oxac   I don't know if you have tried the inversed Ro...   Sep 11 2008, 10:41 PM
|- - Sami   QUOTE (Oxac @ Sep 11 2008, 10:41 PM) I do...   Sep 11 2008, 10:59 PM
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- - Fsgdjv   Here are come cool chords I like to use instead of...   Sep 14 2008, 06:14 PM
- - jer   these are great, thanks!   Sep 14 2008, 06:49 PM
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