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Feb 17 2017, 02:18 PM
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I thought a discussion about building arrangements for songs would be really good.
Often we focus on soloing etc, but the ideas for layered guitar parts, bass parts and how they help a song progress or fill out often doesn't get talked about. I'm thinking about taking a simple chord progressions like I V vi IV and recording different ideas to help me with my song writing Anyone want to chime in ? -------------------- My SoundCloud
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Feb 17 2017, 02:43 PM
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Good idea! Here I am ready to hear and comment!
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Feb 17 2017, 02:51 PM
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I am in the process of arrenging a song i wrote right now so i will upload something when i am done
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Feb 20 2017, 09:03 AM
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One song I love for the arrangement, both all the guitar tracks and vocal tracks is this
This post has been edited by PosterBoy: Feb 20 2017, 09:03 AM -------------------- My SoundCloud
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Feb 20 2017, 09:33 PM
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Here is an arrengement i build for a song i am writing
Change_the_world_test.mp3 ( 4.26MB )
Number of downloads: 75-------------------- My Gear
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Feb 20 2017, 09:45 PM
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Maybe a good place to start would be to ask yourself, "why" you like the arrangement? Then "what" about the arrangement you like. Once you can answer those question for yourself, your closer to understanding arranging in general imho
 So once you are ready, share . your answer here in the thread so we can comment QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Feb 20 2017, 04:03 AM)  One song I love for the arrangement, both all the guitar tracks and vocal tracks is this so far so good I'd say Maybe tell us a bit about the arrangement and why you chose to arrange it the way you did? Then we can comment from there. QUOTE (superize @ Feb 20 2017, 04:33 PM) Here is an arrengement i build for a song i am writing
Change_the_world_test.mp3 ( 4.26MB )
Number of downloads: 75 |
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Feb 20 2017, 09:59 PM
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so far so good I'd say Maybe tell us a bit about the arrangement and why you chose to arrange it the way you did? Then we can comment from there.[/quote] Sure. I wrote this song maybe 1.5-2 years ago and then it was only for acoustic guitar. Now when i started arrenging it i wanted it to have a rock ballad feel. Start the song with only acoustic guitar and build it up for the chourus and there i will introduce the electric guitar that i at this point playing open chords. for the second verse i wanted kind of the same feel as in the first. To keep things more interesting i added drums, bass and a piano part as i know that is very common for this kind of music and it sounds kinda nice. In the end i am thinking about doing a doubble chourus before a guitar solo and end it like it started with only acoustic guitar and maybe some vocal lines as well. So to sum things up i want it to start slow and build itself up as it goes on and then end like it started. -------------------- My Gear
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Feb 21 2017, 03:34 PM
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One of my fave subjects.
Check out this Paul Weller tune. It seems relatively straight forward but there's a lot of stuff and things going on throughout ... It opens w/solo electric guitar arpeggios (this is the chorus form/chords). At the end of the phrase he adds a simple flute melody for one measure (this reappears throughout the song). The 2nd X thru the drums come in but they don't enter until a little percussion bell is hit on beat 1 (ear candy). Also the chorus bkgrnd vox enter. *All that just in the intro. Pre-verse rhythm and lead guitar parts that will foreshadow the ... Verse - first half (8 bars) straightforward. Verse - second half adds keys (organ/synth) and that little perc/bell hit enters again. Chorus - w/vox but guitar is back to arpeggios. 2nd x - adds that little flute line at the end of the phrase. Adds an ostinato keys part (little morse code sounding thing) *Drum pattern changes. Pre-verse rhythm guitar again. Verse - same as before. Choruses - add the ostinato keys part and the flute melody again. BRIDGE - totally different and it's in a 1/2 time feel. Choruses - same as before. Breakdown - chorus chords but the part is flanged, the drums drop out then enter with a fill. The synth or organ ostinato enters again. Bkgrnd vox are in and the flute plays that little melody at the end of the phrases. Guitar breakdown again - this time flanged and drums in 1/2 time feel again. End - rhythm guitar phrase 4 times w/breaks. That's an "arrangement". *Paul Weller was the leader of The Jam in the late 70s and early 80s. The Style Council, mid to late 80s and then solo up to now. This post has been edited by klasaine: Feb 22 2017, 04:41 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Feb 22 2017, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Feb 20 2017, 05:03 AM) One song I love for the arrangement, both all the guitar tracks and vocal tracks is this When analysing music I usually start by writing down the structure, and chord progressions for each part. Once I have it, I get into each part and see how it's arranged. What each instrument is doing, regarding performance, tone, and even how it's placed in the mix. The more you do this with similar tracks, the more elements you'll get about it. In this case, I can hear important connection between this track and some Blink 182 songs (I think that Travis recorded drums on this track), so getting into some other similar bands songs can be also helpful. Once you have the full analysis of this track, it's a good idea to write down some elements that you consider important or that capture your attention. This should be a short list with a few words that make you remember about the elements when you get back to the writing. Feel free to write your analysis here, so we can give feedback or comment about missing stuff. QUOTE (klasaine @ Feb 21 2017, 11:34 AM) One of my fave subjects. Check out this Paul Weller tune. It seems relatively straight forward but there's a lot of stuff and things going on throughout ... It opens w/solo electric guitar arpeggios (this is the chorus form/chords). At the end of the phrase he adds a simple flute melody for one measure (this reappears throughout the song). The 2nd X thru the drums come in but they don't enter until a little percussion bell is hit on beat 1 (ear candy). Also the chorus bkgrnd vox enter. *All that just in the intro. Pre-verse rhythm and lead guitar parts that will foreshadow the ... Verse - first half (8 bars) straightforward. Verse - second half adds keys (organ/synth) and that little perc/bell hit enters again. Chorus - w/vox but guitar is back to arpeggios. 2nd x - adds that little flute line at the end of the phrase. Adds an ostinato keys part (little morse code sounding thing) *Drum pattern changes. Pre-verse rhythm guitar again. Verse - same as before. Choruses - add the ostinato keys part and the flute melody again. BRIDGE - totally different and it's in a 1/2 time feel. Choruses - same as before. Breakdown - chorus chords but the part is flanged, the drums drop out then enter with a fill. The synth or organ ostinato enters again. Bkgrnd vox are in and the flute plays that little melody at the end of the phrases. Guitar breakdown again - this time flanged and drums in 1/2 time feel again. End - rhythm guitar phrase 4 times w/breaks. That's an "arrangement". *Paul Weller was the leader of The Jam in the late 70s and early 80s. The Style Council, mid to late 80s and then solo up to now. GREAT Stuff! This should help as reference on how to analyse a track. Thanks mate! -------------------- My lessons
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Feb 27 2017, 05:35 AM
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QUOTE (bleez @ Feb 26 2017, 11:53 AM) Unfortunately I cant add much to the discussion but its a very interesting thread. Just wanted to say... This Paul Weller track is amazing! Ive been listening to the whole album its from all weekend, just brilliant and some ridiculously tasteful guitar tones. thanks for posting this track, dude You're welcome! Wildwood is a great record. Paul Weller, though not what I would call 'underrated', is definitely under appreciated. The Jam, Style Council, as a Solo artist - he's had a lot of hits over the last 38 years and has influenced dozens of bands and artists. He's the real deal. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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