Chords, Need help for chord/jazz symbole/name |
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Chords, Need help for chord/jazz symbole/name |
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Apr 5 2020, 04:01 PM |
Hi mate, I have some questions first...
What does "h" mean? Also, C major scale doesn't include sharps so maybe this is not C major, or you are adding outside notes. (d# g d): You can see this one as G5 (G + D) with a b6 added (Eb). (f g# d) You can see this as F major (F + D) with b9 (bG). -------------------- My lessons
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Apr 5 2020, 08:35 PM |
Can you scan the music and circle the chord in question? Or post it somehow and mark exactly where it is?
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Apr 6 2020, 01:29 AM |
Can you scan the music and circle the chord in question? Or post it somehow and mark exactly where it is? Hi Klasaine here is the piece -------------------- |
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Apr 6 2020, 02:47 AM |
I need more context. 'Harmony' doesn't exist in a vacuum. I need to know where they're coming from and then going to.
Can you scan or photograph the entire page? *My best assessment is that they are D diminished chords moving to Eb or Cm - ? The first chord in the first example, without any context is a D#maj7 (or a Cm9 or a G augmented). This post has been edited by klasaine: Apr 6 2020, 06:38 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Apr 7 2020, 06:39 PM |
f g# d = Dm flat5? 🤨 or D diminished
d# g d = d#maj7 (modulation?) In this context This post has been edited by Potsau: Apr 7 2020, 07:09 PM -------------------- |
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Apr 7 2020, 07:07 PM |
How does this work in the key of c?
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Apr 7 2020, 07:22 PM |
OK, that's helpful now that I know where it's going.
The first line is very straightforward - C G C F C. Easy. The second line is a little more complex harmonically ... I think the second chord should be all G#s and it will be a G diminished going to Am, which is a very normal (leading tone) resolution. Then on to a D#maj7 (which is really an altered G chord - the V7) going to a B diminished (without the root) resolving to C major. I hope that helps. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Apr 7 2020, 09:45 PM |
No jazz at all. Just 'modern' harmony.
The chord in question is really a Bdim7 (Bº7) so B D F and Ab but without the root note. The notation has a G# (Ab) not an F#. *Chords do not need a "root" note to function as that chord. The two chords before the final C major are just V7 chords leading to I. VIIº7 has most of the same notes as a G7 chord. Both of them employ different alterations of whatever 'leading tone' chord or chords you want to use. If I was just writing a chord chart, I would write G+ Bº7 C. This post has been edited by klasaine: Apr 8 2020, 05:00 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Apr 9 2020, 01:10 AM |
No, just Bdim7. The bb7 is implied. Think of it as flating or diminishing the flat 7. I know it seems weird but that's how it is.
Technically Ab can be in the key of C. We can borrow from the parallel minor scale which has an Ab as the 6th degree. This is done all the time. Starting in the renaissance and perfected during the baroque period, this is how the harmonic minor scale came into being. The desire to have a stronger V chord in minor keys led to 'borrowing' the leading tone from the parallel major scale to get a major or dominant V chord. You may notice that a C harm min scale contains both an Ab and B natural (h). Now we 'borrow' from major to minor all the time in music. The most current term for it in jazz and popular music is 'Modal Interchange'. This post has been edited by klasaine: Apr 9 2020, 01:12 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Apr 9 2020, 03:27 AM |
Harmony and theory don't exist in a vacuum and, they are fluid.
We work with only 12 notes. Yes, there are several octaves but really just 12 different notes. Somehow over the past 1100 years or so of written music we've been able to produce and codify an immense amount of very different sounding music ... with only 12 notes. The 'theory' or the rules and the structure has to be able to bend, shape and mold around what gets played and composed. When you don't know anything about it, music theory seems like rocket science. Once you know it, you realize it's more like plumbing. This post has been edited by klasaine: Apr 9 2020, 05:18 AM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Apr 9 2020, 03:50 PM |
Sort of.
We don't call it Ionian augmented. It's a synthetic scale called Harmonic Major and just like in Harmonic minor, we call it a b6, not a #5. Both Harm Maj and Harm min contain a normal 5 (perfect 5th). Harm Min is spelled: 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7. Harm Maj: 1 2 3 4 5 b6 7 You can 'borrow' any chord from any parallel mode and still say "we're in the key of C". It doesn't have to minor either. You could borrow from Lydian, which is one of the way to get a D or D7 chord in the key of C. Traditionally, using a D major or D dominant 7 chord in the key of C is either setting up our V chord, G (we call that V of V) or implying an actual key change to the key of G. At the conservatory this is referred to as a secondary dominant chord ... https://www.musicnotes.com/now/musictheory/...dary-dominants/ At this point in music theory history, there's a way to justify using any chord you want at any time. The only 'rule' is does it sound good? -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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