Why Not To Use Pirated Software, Some personal thoughts for debate |
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Why Not To Use Pirated Software, Some personal thoughts for debate |
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Nov 13 2007, 06:52 AM |
What!!!?! Edited for large text and implied language - Andrew I feel the urge to ask you the same thing, what do you mean? |
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Nov 13 2007, 09:04 AM
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I feel the urge to ask you the same thing, what do you mean? I mean - That's not for you to decide. You cannot choose to obey certain laws and ignore others. |
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Nov 13 2007, 06:59 PM |
***Impartial moderator voice on** * Guys keep it civil - especially towards each other. It's a debate.
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Nov 13 2007, 07:52 PM |
I mean - That's not for you to decide. You cannot choose to obey certain laws and ignore others. Why not? I can speed and run a red light on occacions stay off robbing people. So it works. EDIT: And to develop it a bit more breaking the laws you're unhappy with is a revolutionary way of challanging the state. An excellent way of making society change and it has been used for all times. When people never protested and just adjusted themselves to all the current laws there would be a great risk for the individual. Me driving 115 instead of 110 km/h on the highway is not a big revolution but in the end it may lead to politicians saying "Everyone drives too fast, cars are more sequre, there's an economical winning in people getting to their destination quicker" would in the end lead to speed limits being raised to 120 km/h Me and others running a red light in the same crossing all the time could in the end lead to a round about being built. We'll see where file sharing will lead to in the end but I'm quite convinced they will adjust the laws instead of busting millions of teenagers all around the world. There's simply too high a cost and too complicated a task to do. It will likely become allowed within reasonable time, say in 10-15 years. This post has been edited by MickeM: Nov 13 2007, 08:04 PM -------------------- My bands homepage
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Nov 13 2007, 10:47 PM |
i think its ridiculous to try to justify pirated software. It shouldnt be used. Even if you do decide it is how you want to acquire software- it shouldnt be publicly discussed as this breeds more pirates. I don't even see why home users need software like Word/Excel etc. There are perfectly suitable share and freeware that come at a cost we can afford. And software piracy often strikes directly at the company since it's distributed in a different way than music and film. So yes, software piracy is really really really bad. Then I think that the music and film industry needs to be shook to its foundation until some unneccessary and expensive middlemen with huge cigars fall off and money can be redirected to the music writers and bands and it will cost the end customer a lot less. Record companies have their task, but does it have to come with such a heavy price tag? Don't follow laws blindly. Change them. Make the laws reasonable for the intended purpose. Not to protect a business model that's outdated. +1 And true, yes it is a good point, but continuing to steal music isnt gonna bring about revolutionary change to the world, hopefully what it will do is convince the record companys to do something about it, so where people still pay for it, and the artists get money for there work. Not change the world, but it's spread world wide and if that happens, the artists get payed more and the record companies less while the end customer gets the art at reasonable cost something is gained. -------------------- My bands homepage
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Nov 13 2007, 11:17 PM |
I don't even see why home users need software like Word/Excel etc. There are perfectly suitable share and freeware that come at a cost we can afford. I agree - I have access to all the expensive stuff through work, but I decided to rebuild my home PC using as much free stuff as I could, I got 97% of the way there. I found free or cheap substitutes for: - Word - Excel - PowerPoint - Zipfiles and many many more. It can be done. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Nov 14 2007, 12:11 AM |
... Don't make this a black or white discussion (no pun intened) or a legal/illegal discussion. It's not that easy. Don't follow laws blindly. Change them. Make the laws reasonable for the intended purpose. Not to protect a business model that's outdated. ... Art and creativity in all forms should be encouraged and there have to be laws regulating it, but that's not equal to "I have the right to be rich on this". Or "The company representing me have the right to be rich on this". The laws are outdated and not valid anymore. What needs to be done is a complete remake. We need to decide what we want to achive and how the laws could support that. Do we want to encourage creativity? Do we want to protect the right to be paid when someone else uses it? Do we want to ensure the profit for a . I largely agree and as I've said before and elsewhere I support and lobby, and work unpaid, for open commons and copyleft organisations. For me the issue is to try to get the law changed. Until that happens though I work within it. What I don't see from the software pirates (rather then the end users or some of the distribution channels) is a desire to campaign to change the law. Now I wonder why they don't . Cheers, Tony -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Nov 14 2007, 02:06 AM |
First of all I don't like that I can't state my opinion (and my opinion was that software piracy was bad, but that everything isn't black and white) without getting offended. Sure, what I read doesn't really offend me, but since I read "edited for language by andrew", I get the feeling that you have something more to say, and theres no way you will convice me of anything by just saying that I'm "full of crap" or whatever. Which is of course why Andrew did the edit that he did and why I put my moderator's hat on briefly - so that you could make your point without being shouted at. We're more then happy for the debate to happen as it is an important issue worthy of discussion. It's also one reason why I'm not interjecting my opinion too much to let others put their points of view . What we moderators do want is that both sides show respect to each other and not descend to the levels of an all out flame war. If it does descend I hasten to add that the thread will get locked. BTW - if anyone hasn't realised both me and Andrew post in bold italics when we're making a moderator's comment rather then a personal opinion/observation . Cheers, Tony -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Nov 14 2007, 02:16 AM |
np mate - it was sort of less to you and more a general comment .
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