Picks And Plectrums Problems
Mr Mayhem
Dec 8 2010, 09:40 PM
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Hi all GMC ers.

I've been playing on and off for about 16 years. Im a big fan of shred especially the more melodic type like Europe and Malmsteen. Therefore it probably won't surprise any of you that im big into speed picking.

I need thoughts and advice on a problem i feel has been holding back my progress for years, and that is picks slipping and/or rotating in my fingers.

It results in missing notes or even worse the string altogether, simply because the pick has rotated around to point the wrong way and im then trying to pick with the side instead of the point of the pick.

Usually this happens after i have been playing for some time and my hands have started to get hot and sweat a little. But once it starts its so frustrating. I end up having to reposition my pick after every run or even just practising scales i can usually count on it moving out of place before i finish a whole exercise. I can temporarily fix the problem by going and washing my hands with warm water and soap, and usually washing the pick too helps. This restores grip perfectly and i can play accuratley again for about 30 mins, but eventually my hands build up perspiration on the pick and hey presto i can't play properly again. It really damages your confidence if half way through a solo or something you feel the pick moving out of position and you begin to struggle hitting the notes. The thing is when i get to play on stage, i can't really have a bowl of warm water on stand by so if during a song i need to wash the sweat of my hands!

Now i have spent considerable time over the years trying to sort this problem out. Some people i have spoken to say that its a technique issue and if the pick is moving im not holding it right. I have spend years trying different approaches to ways to hold the pick, and never found a way that prevents the problem. I've also spoken to guitarists that say its the angle you hit the string at, and hitting the string incorrectly will make the pick rotate. Again i have over the years tried different angle's and not found a cure. Different angles seem to make a difference to the sound you get, but not really any difference to the pick trying to move around. For a while i tried simply gripping the pick tighter, but quickly found this locked up my wrist and slowed me down to such an extent it was like going back to being a begginer.

Other people ive spoken to about this problem say that its something you just learn to live with, and you just get better at repositioning the pick part way through a piece of music? While other come up with all sort of suggestions about how to modify your pick to prevent it from moving, including drilling holes in it, using gorilla snot, and even sticking double sided tape on both sides of the pick! I've tried some of these idea's with limited results. Ive also had people say that gripping it too tight has the opposite effect and makes you perspire more, and the key is to loosen your grip a bit. Again i have tried this over extended periods of time and with different amounts of grip tightness, but it doesn't fix the problem. If i grip looser the problem is magnified and the pick is all over the place. If i hold it tighter then my finger sweat even more and its all over the place again. Im very sure that my grip is about right and it hasn't got anything to do with it. (in my case anyway.)

At the moment i am testing out some very expensive picks that claim to fix the problem, and when/if one cures the problem for me i will let the forum know. However i wanted to get the view of the guitarists, and especially the teachers on here. Is this a common problem? Have i been playing wrong for all these years and there is some secret to holding a pick? Or does everyone accept its a problem and learn ways around it?

Personally i think it might be more of a personal thing. Some people sweat a lot on their hands (like me) and some people are lucky and don't hardly at all. Therefore it would make sense that some guitarist say its how you play it, and can use virtually any pick they want. And then there are others maybe like me who sometimes find this problem so frustrating that they want to super glue a pick permanently to their fingers!!

Please comment and give me your views.

Jon Mayhem.

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- Mr Mayhem   Picks And Plectrums Problems   Dec 8 2010, 09:40 PM
- - MonkeyDAthos   check the pick his using   Dec 8 2010, 09:44 PM
- - slash48   Have you tried Dunlop Jazz III max grips? They are...   Dec 8 2010, 10:22 PM
- - slash48   Have you tried Dunlop Jazz III max grips? They are...   Dec 8 2010, 10:22 PM
- - MickeM   I belive I recall someone said V-picks has good gr...   Dec 8 2010, 10:23 PM
|- - Mr Mayhem   Thanks for the reply's so far guys. I have tr...   Dec 8 2010, 11:12 PM
|- - jstcrsn   QUOTE (Mr Mayhem @ Dec 8 2010, 11:12 PM) ...   Dec 9 2010, 04:48 PM
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- - slash48   I just wanted to recommend the Eric Johnson signat...   Dec 8 2010, 11:31 PM
- - Mudbone   I'm a sweaty ass greaseball, so I've had a...   Dec 9 2010, 04:18 AM
- - NoSkill   I have exactly the same problem and started using ...   Dec 9 2010, 05:14 PM
- - Todd Simpson   I feel your pain. I"m a big fan of Clayton pi...   Dec 9 2010, 05:35 PM
- - emirb   I use JazzIII too, but my other choice when (tryin...   Dec 9 2010, 05:55 PM
|- - Mr Mayhem   still getting used to this forum stuff.   Dec 9 2010, 09:14 PM
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- - kaznie_NL   Maybe check Dava Picks!   Dec 9 2010, 09:27 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   QUOTE (kaznie_NL @ Dec 9 2010, 03:27 PM) ...   Dec 11 2010, 08:51 AM
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- - Ben Higgins   John I'm sorry to hear about your pick issue.....   Dec 9 2010, 09:53 PM
|- - Mr Mayhem   Thanks Ben. Everyone's so great on here. I t...   Dec 10 2010, 03:22 PM
|- - Sollesnes   QUOTE (Mr Mayhem @ Dec 10 2010, 03:22 PM)...   Dec 10 2010, 10:54 PM
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- - Gary   Jon, You have done an good job of documenting thi...   Dec 11 2010, 07:32 AM
- - maharzan   I had/have the same issue too. And I have played w...   Dec 11 2010, 09:08 AM
|- - Mr Mayhem   Thanks for the reply. It seems that there are man...   Dec 11 2010, 10:04 PM
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- - Ivan Milenkovic   Happens to me to once in a while, but my hands are...   Dec 11 2010, 10:50 PM
|- - Mr Mayhem   QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Dec 11 2010, 09...   Dec 12 2010, 09:24 PM
|- - Ben Higgins   QUOTE (Mr Mayhem @ Dec 12 2010, 08:24 PM)...   Dec 13 2010, 10:14 AM
|- - Mr Mayhem   It's a strange concept, but do try 'leadin...   Dec 13 2010, 11:52 AM
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- - slash48   Another thought to take in to consideration is are...   Dec 13 2010, 02:06 PM
- - maharzan   The problem with me is/was when I practice slowly,...   Dec 13 2010, 02:32 PM
- - Ivan Milenkovic   Then you should definitely consider changing your ...   Dec 14 2010, 12:08 AM
|- - Mr Mayhem   QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Dec 13 2010, 11...   Dec 15 2010, 08:55 PM
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- - maharzan   Cool. You just have to keep practicing that 'r...   Dec 17 2010, 03:34 AM
- - Mr Mayhem   QUOTE (maharzan @ Dec 17 2010, 02:34 AM) ...   Dec 19 2010, 03:05 AM
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