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Mar 1 2007, 03:05 PM
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Could we have a lesson, or series of shorts on how to get approximations of various signature tones out of our equipment?
I'm thinking along the lines of for instance: David Gilmour in the Wall managed to get a brilliant slightly brittle tone with which worked well with his elegant pentatonic phrasings. He played a Stratocaster(whatever) with whatever pickups, and had a xyz delay, and abc compressor on his pedalboard. He usually went into a Marshal blah bah and miked it into the desk. To get something similar, start with a single coil ideally on the neck position, and turn your Amp gain up to about 6 oclock, treble high, mid low, bass low and add a 200ms stereo delay ... like this (cut to video), and play a few sample licks (the licks are important to show off the tone to best effect) I'm sure a lot of the folks on the board would be good for at least one sound of their favourite guitarist - I have never had a valve amp so I am mystified how some of these sounds come about, but these days, a lot of people have Amp modellers, so should be able to approximate the various tones. I'd also be interested in how to get various more generic sounds like: Gently overdriven Strat BB King style Blues Death Metal Buddy Holly style Lead Jimmy Page Stairway Purple Rain rythym/Lead The list is endless ... Any interest? This post has been edited by Andrew Cockburn: Mar 1 2007, 03:06 PM -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Mar 1 2007, 03:30 PM
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id be very interested in tone lessons too
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Mar 1 2007, 04:05 PM
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I think the idea is a good one in principle,
Indeed I had hoped to get something similar started previously but it never came off. My understanding is that amps are completely different, what is a blues setting on one amp, comes out as a metal sound on another, whats clean on one is dirty on another, setting drive to 2 on one amp is only replicated on another by setting to 6, and so on. I never thought guitars made *that* much difference to the final output, but they do apparently. Speaker size effects the bass/treble/middle settings substantially. Therefore, its virtually impossible to do. I hope that what I say is completely wrong though as its a really cool idea. -------------------- its not easy
banging your head against some mad buggers wall. Variax 300. Pod XTL & Crate amp some of my recordings are here: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/petergb/ |
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Mar 2 2007, 12:24 AM
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QUOTE (buckjones @ Mar 1 2007, 01:44 PM)  in a sense fretdancer you are correct... it would take a huge amount of understanding how the tone works on your amp and your guitar to be able to correctly match the sound... and in some cases may be completely impossible. i love the idea you guys present though... i think it should most definitely be attempted with the understanding that it may or may not work for each of us... just my 2 cents!!! nate Well I kind of agree with both of you ( which is a polite way of saying I kind of disagree  ). I think you are right in general, any generic amp won't sound a lot like any other generic amp ... but I am thinking modeling here. If Hendrix uses a Marshall XYZ, chances are that my Pod XTL would have that model or a similar one. Also, I'm thinking that if we get advice to get us somewhere near we can tweak it the rest of the way ourselves - this kind of lesson would at least get us started, and get us into the right tone family, or so I hope ...
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Live long and prosper ... My Stuff: Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 Bass Acoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 Nylon Effects : Line6 Helix, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Keeley OxBlood Amps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab |
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as for sound quality, its just like comparing solid state to tube amps... the tubes will ALWAYS give you a warmer more natural sound, but the solid state is much more affordable and with little or no upkeep on them it can be the more cost effective buy. 
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Mar 5 2007, 11:22 PM
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I have no idea about how to start replicating a tone, but here's a site I stumbled on recently:
Guitar Geek And an example rig: Joe Satriani's Rig Those more knowledgable than me can say whether the site would be useful or not.  Ron |
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Mar 28 2007, 12:28 PM
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For the Pink Floyd-ish sound I can point you this way:
http://www.mikesguitarsite.co.uk/gear/pink_floyd/ http://www.gilmourish.com/ -------------------- Schecter C1 Hellraiser EMG 81/85, replaced with JB/Jazz (SH4/SH2n) w. coilsplit Schecter Revenger HB-105, replaced with EMG 81/85 Stratocaster Deluxe Players Noiseless Ibanez 2550z Blackstar HT5H, Blackheart BH5H w. BH112, Laney LX35D, Line6 Pod XT, Marshall MS-2 Headphones: Sennheiser RS120 Stay tuned... |
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Mar 28 2007, 06:14 PM
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QUOTE (blindwillie @ Mar 28 2007, 07:28 AM) For the Pink Floyd-ish sound I can point you this way: http://www.mikesguitarsite.co.uk/gear/pink_floyd/ http://www.gilmourish.com/ Great links, thanks! -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
Live long and prosper ... My Stuff: Electric Guitars : Ibanez Jem7v, Line6 Variax 700, Fender Plus Strat with 57/62 Pickups, Line6 Variax 705 Bass Acoustic Guitars : Taylor 816ce, Martin D-15, Line6 Variax Acoustic 300 Nylon Effects : Line6 Helix, Keeley Modded Boss DS1, Keeley Modded Boss BD2, Keeley 4 knob compressor, Keeley OxBlood Amps : Epiphone Valve Jnr & Head, Cockburn A.C.1, Cockburn A.C.2, Blackstar Club 50 Head & 4x12 Cab |
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