QUOTE (Mer-V @ Jul 20 2007, 10:37 AM)
And for the church's burnings, I don't see how 'paying respect to the native culture' in a land could justify destroying other people's sanctuaries. A church might mean s*** to them, but to a lot of other people it does have great vallue. I can see why some people might still be pissed off about something that happend decades ago, but back then, things were different. Nowadays, when you differ in opion about what so ever, you don't go bludgeoning each others head in and the winner gets to 'apply' his opion to the grey masses. We live in a time that two religions can live with each other, I believe its called 'peacefull coëxistance'.
Edited for language - Andrew
You're thinking about black metal, and I can assure you that everything negative you hear about black metal is extremely over exaggerated.
Varg Vikernes burned one church in 1993(I think?), he is a little messed up(still a freakin intelligent guy though), he is like a viking fanatic and I agree that chrstianity was brutal and cowards when they went around europe murdering people that didnt want to become christian. But! Even though I'm an atheist, I totally disagree with church burnings. NOTHING good can come out of it. Varg Vikernes, also known as "The Count" plays in Burzum and he is also known for killing Euroynomous, the guitarist in Mayhem, just if someone didnt know who he is. Media says that Varg killed Euroynomous becuase he wanted to be more "evil" than him(damn you VH1), but it was actually becuase Euroynoumous was a total bitch. Long story, and probably not as true as he says himselfs, but they were both a little messed up, but none of them were satanists. None were.
And yes, after Varg burned the church(also becuase he wanted to sell his CD's, wich he did), there were MANY kids around the world that called themselfs "satanist" becuase they thought it was cool, and they burned churches. There was also a couple of other guys that had the same opinion as Varg Vikernes and burned some churches.
Darkthrone, Immortal, Mayhem, Aura Noir, Emperor etc. etc., all of those bands plus many more are norwegian, they arent satanists at all, even though most people think that. They arent evil or nothing, they are regular guys, some of them have a great, uhm, "self ironi", I dont know the English words for that, but you know, they can joke about themselfs even though they have "evil" music.
Gorgoroth is the only black metal band I know of that call themselfs satanists. They havent burned any churches though. They are freakin nice guys in real life though, documentarys and stuff from TV gives a wrong impression. Its kind of an image thing, but man they are nice guys if you meet them.
Recently I heard of some Italian(?) group of people that started burning churches, but if you think how many percent of all black metal fans and bands that burn churches, its REALLY small. Most of the people who call themselfs satanists say it becuase they think its cool.
Also, there are different types of satanism. LaVey satanism(if I remember the name correct) is almost like Atheism actually. I saw a documentary about it, totally normal guys, and when they had "satanic rituals" they were just maknig fun of themselfs.
Gorgoroth are also satanists, but as I said, I met their vocalist on Friday, wich "is" gorgoroth, he is in all gorgoroth interviews and stuff, and he was a 100% regular guy. Laughed and talked.
His type of satanism isnt bad either, even though he might seem crazy when you see him on TV. He said that the only true God were in nature and that the christian God was just a control freak, wich I sort of agree with, eventhough I'm an atheist. "Satan" means freedom, and thats sort of what most satanists believe in. Believe in yourself and humanity.
Sorry for the long post, I just hate it when people get a totally wrong impression of black metal
Its all about the music!
QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Jul 21 2007, 07:09 PM)
Guys, this is a guitar forum, and the religious stuff is off topic.
If you want to discuss this, please start a thread on the Off Topic board, although I'd rather you didn't because discussions about religion like this are contentious and unlikely to conform to GMC posting standards unless conducted with respect and tolerance.
We're discussing about a music genre that involves alot of religion, in a few cases atleast/highly exaggerated, as I said in the post above. I personally dont see the problem, but if you want me to delete my post, no problem.
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