Discussion On Modelling
Mertay
Apr 12 2019, 06:46 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue...p;v=p9rKZJ2m2TA

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Kristofer Dahl
Apr 17 2019, 09:43 AM
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Interesting!

I had the honor to play a hand built "Pure Tone Amps" for a few months - and after that I have slightly changed my view on digital.

My theory is that the kemper does replicate any amp as perfect as you need it to - dynamic/eq/distortion wise. However I get the impression I am actually hearing it's just a snapshot (that's what a profile is : a snapshot of the real amp sound) - like a short sample I am playing over and over. Whereas the tube amp has natural variation that exceed a ~1 second sample.

I did not watch the whole video - but it sounds bit weird to me that kemper would not be able to replicate all overtones - as those can be measured digitally and the developers would easily see if the profiling process was missing some frequencies.

Perhaps the problem they experienced was rather due to dynamics not being replicated on some frequencies? That's harder to hear and can def effect where the sound sits in the mix. You might be hearing and seeing (on a graph) lots of 10k for example - however the attack might be kinda slow on those frequencies which in turn will not yield satisfying results.

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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Apr 17 2019, 08:43 AM) *
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Thats why I left using ir reverbs long ago, on single instrument they sound fantastic but spread-ed in a mix a "static/boxness" starts to occur I really dislike. Ir-cab.s takes the freq. response and can't replicate speaker movement and coloration, its a good tech. but in detail has its weaknesses.

The dowside of sampling is the very upper overtones can't be accurately captured by any machine due to the units self-noise. These overtones get very low on level and blends too much with the noise character so usually filtered out. But most are accurate and there may be an AI that guess and replicates the missing ones for a more natural feel.

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- Mertay   Discussion On Modelling   Apr 12 2019, 06:46 PM
- - Todd Simpson   Thanks for the share!!! I was reading ...   Apr 13 2019, 08:12 PM
|- - Mertay   QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 13 2019, 07:12 ...   Apr 14 2019, 12:16 AM
|- - Todd Simpson   A real cab in a real room does generate super and ...   Apr 14 2019, 03:06 AM
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- - klasaine   What I've noticed specifically with recording ...   Apr 15 2019, 04:31 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   Good point per usual!! Guitar can take up ...   Apr 16 2019, 07:06 AM
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- - Mertay   I wonder if thats why I like running processors th...   Apr 16 2019, 06:51 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   Yeah, noise can be a problem. Running any signal t...   Apr 17 2019, 02:41 AM
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- - Todd Simpson   In a mix a good plugin can work well imho. I'v...   Apr 18 2019, 06:55 PM
|- - Mertay   QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 18 2019, 05:55 ...   Apr 18 2019, 08:34 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   Respire is separate from the cab loading section ...   Apr 19 2019, 11:19 PM
|- - Mertay   QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 19 2019, 10:19 ...   Apr 19 2019, 11:37 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   Respire adds a LOT of bass to the signal. As a res...   Apr 20 2019, 12:20 AM
|- - Madfish   QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 19 2019, 11:20 ...   Apr 22 2019, 01:22 PM
|- - Mertay   Pretty much what kemper is doing but my experience...   Apr 22 2019, 06:26 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   Rates up to 192khz don't introduce any artifac...   May 20 2019, 05:53 AM
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- - Madfish   Sampling rate of 2f is sufficient to represent the...   Apr 19 2019, 06:58 PM
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