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Nemanja Filipovi...
post Feb 1 2008, 12:52 PM
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Well....bicouse it is one of the must inprtant things when coming to mixing your tracks....
this is a Wikipedia artical about it.......

The studio monitor may be the single most important piece of equipment in the recording studio. This stems from the fact that every aspect of the recording process can only be heard - and evaluated – by listening through a monitor. Without it, recording is just guesswork.

As a result, production staff need to trust their monitors. The less confidence they have that a monitor is telling them what they need to know to make a correct decision the more random and time-consuming the recording process becomes. If a monitor fails to distinguish between two very different microphones or conceals distortion in the recording chain, poor production decisions are likely to be made. Producers, engineers, and mixers consequently insist on monitors that are either highly accurate and transparent or ones that they’re intimately familiar with. In the latter case, they learn to listen through the flaws, tend to be conservative, and often stick to a specific monitor even when it becomes technically outdated because changing to a new one requires a period of adjustment.

There are a variety of approaches to monitor choice and much “subjective” disagreement hinges on which of these methods production staff adopt. Some rigorously pursue accuracy and transparency, on the grounds that only an accurate monitor can tell the unvarnished truth and enable them to make completely trustworthy decisions. Others may insist that the systems used by the consumers are themselves far from accurate and that it’s more important that monitors reflect what these lo-fi stereos are doing to the recordings rather than pretend that it's being reproduced with perfect accuracy. Others believe that monitors should exaggerate recording flaws and make them work harder to make them sound good. Many more stick to monitors they know well, even though they’re fully aware of their limitations. Arguments about the “right” monitor to use still rage on, although there’s a growing acceptance that “what works for you” is the best adage to follow when choosing monitors. Producers and engineers have differing goals; some are producing high-quality recordings for expensive home systems while others are catering mainly for boomboxes and car radios. Their choices of monitor invariably take account of these facts.

Monitor use is thus in most cases geared to preparing the recording for end use: for making it sound good to the consumer. As a result, while accuracy has traditionally been considered to be the sine qua non of the studio monitor, in practice producers, engineers, and mixers are less concerned with accuracy per se than with how well the monitor translates, i.e., how well recordings made with its aid sound through a variety of playback systems, ranging from audiophile esoterica to boom-boxes. The link between accuracy and translatability is unclear, and the fact that the three most popular monitors of all time, the Altec 604, the JBL 4311, and the Yamaha NS-10, were all far from accurate may not be entirely coincidental.


so...the prices goes form 200$(one speaker) to 15.000$.....choice is yours offcourse,but as the artical say..with them you woud get more neutral sound picture of your songs.... wink.gif


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post Feb 1 2008, 01:50 PM
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Good topic Nemanja smile.gif

Here's what I figured out from my experience.

There's ISN'T such a thing like ideal mix cause each speakers (Hi-Fi etc) have different range and color
so you can't expect to hear everything the same on every setup.
But you must be able to hear everything "correct" while you're mixing.
Some monitors just don't have flat image,they either cut some frequencies or boost it too much.
Also it's sort of habit,you get familiar with you monitoring system,
you know if it cuts or boosts something.
Nice deal is to have few setups as well,one with woofers and extra highs(kinda in disco clubs),
another midrange and something like home PC speakers,to compare it well. wink.gif

Finally,it comes to your pocket biggrin.gif


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post Feb 1 2008, 03:08 PM
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Behringer Truth Active Studio Monitors

These are what I use and they work quite well. Pretty cheap too! I'm on a budget tongue.gif
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post Feb 1 2008, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE (Muris @ Feb 1 2008, 01:50 PM) *
Nice deal is to have few setups as well,one with woofers and extra highs(kinda in disco clubs),
another midrange and something like home PC speakers,to compare it well. wink.gif

That's a very good advise!

I usually use my car stereo to compare my recordings. I can hear all the small details extremely good there for some reason biggrin.gif


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post Feb 1 2008, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE (lavendell @ Feb 1 2008, 03:16 PM) *
That's a very good advise!

I usually use my car stereo to compare my recordings. I can hear all the small details extremely good there for some reason biggrin.gif


That's because the most of the surfaces inside the car are curved, so sound is spreading in all ways and you can hear all frequencies smile.gif

IMO the best are KRK monitors, some people say they have an "ugly" sound, and are the most difficult to work with, but if you manage to get a mix sound good on those, it will sound fantastic on all other systems smile.gif

Currently I have M-Audio StudioPro3 monitors, they are OK for the price (100 euros), and I also check my mixes on my stereo, headphones, and even on cheap comuputer speakers to hear how it sounds. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (Kyle Logue @ Feb 1 2008, 04:08 PM) *
Behringer Truth Active Studio Monitors

These are what I use and they work quite well. Pretty cheap too! I'm on a budget tongue.gif


I was thinking about getting those sometime in the near future smile.gif Good to know that somebody else also uses them! smile.gif


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post Feb 1 2008, 06:49 PM
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Great topic. Muris said it all up there and he's right IMHO.

I would like to buy a similar set like your's Dejan. Few M-Audio models caught my eye in a store recently... So can you tell us about some details about them. How does the bass range sounds, and how does the "boost" function works? Thanks! smile.gif


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QUOTE (Toni Suominen @ Feb 1 2008, 09:16 AM) *
I was thinking about getting those sometime in the near future smile.gif Good to know that somebody else also uses them! smile.gif

They're bigger than i expected them to be...they're about 35cm (14 inches) tall and they each weigh probably 30 lbs. They hit pretty hard in the low end and I can't complain about the highs. I bought these and they sounded so good that I sold my peavey half-stack(which sucked, but it was cheap). Now I just run my guitar through my mixer to these active monitors. There's nothing like hearing yourself play in stereo(vs mono).

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I don't understand....isn't the sound mono in both cases?


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QUOTE (Milenkovic Ivan @ Feb 1 2008, 06:49 PM) *
I would like to buy a similar set like your's Dejan. Few M-Audio models caught my eye in a store recently... So can you tell us about some details about them. How does the bass range sounds, and how does the "boost" function works? Thanks! smile.gif


I hope to find some time these days to write the review on my monitors smile.gif


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post Feb 2 2008, 03:19 AM
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Yep, Muris said it - you need a clinical and analytical pair of monitors so you can hear the elements in your mix - this lets you come up with a compromise that works in many places. Then you check your mix on different speakers to see how they work on an Ipod , in a stereo system , in a car as they all flatter the sound in different ways.

I have a pair of mission 700s at the moment - they are actually hifi speaker not monitors so they probably flatter the sound in various ways, When I have the cash I will be buying a set of Adam A7s smile.gif


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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Feb 2 2008, 03:19 AM) *
When I have the cash I will be buying a set of Adam A7s smile.gif


that are great monitors....my friend bought them..great...
one day when I have enough mony I will by Geneletic 1035...but they are 15000$..so I may wait a while laugh.gif


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QUOTE (Nemanja @ Feb 2 2008, 02:09 PM) *
that are great monitors....my friend bought them..great...
one day when I have enough mony I will by Geneletic 1035...but they are 15000$..so I may wait a while laugh.gif

15000$ ha dry.gif
I would be thinking of.....buying a house instead? biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (Muris @ Feb 2 2008, 02:11 PM) *
15000$ ha dry.gif
I would be thinking of.....buying a house instead? biggrin.gif

Muris, sve u opremu....
All in equipment...no other way to bild a big studio..an that is my dream...


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QUOTE (Nemanja @ Feb 2 2008, 08:18 AM) *
Muris, sve u opremu....
All in equipment...no other way to bild a big studio..an that is my dream...


Good luck with those is all I can say - may take you a while to save up the cash, but one day you will have an awesome setup!


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thanks Andrew...anything is posible all you need is work..hurd work and if you wanna be some where you will be and nothing can stop you..that is my moto..


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