Recording Advice Wanted (macbook Pro), MacBook Pro ... but what's the next step? |
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Feb 19 2008, 11:20 AM
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I would definitely recommend ProTools! It's an advanced program, but still it's very easy to understand. And i think one of the small audio interfaces like Mbox2 would be perfect for you. See www.digidesign.com for more info
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Feb 19 2008, 01:46 PM
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First of all welcome again, and glad you have the time for your guitar playing again!
Your choice is very simple, you wanna record miced amp and your guitar directly when you don't wanna bother turning on the amp. Here's my experience, I hope you will gain some insights form it. You can find TonePort UX1 review on the site here . I think it is good enough for your needs and hear is why: UX2 is a good device too, but you don't really need two mic inputs and two instrument inputs, because it cannot record 4 of those channel simlutaneosly. It can record same as UX1 and that is mic+instrument. So if you want you can send 2 separate mono sends to your host application in order two record mic and guitar at the same time. Remember no latency and with effects. Toneport is a great option because it has gearbox software. In reality if you care about tone and I can tell that you do, you will not use the half of its presets, but you can make very interesting sounding ones for your pilot projects that's for sure. For studio stuff you can always mic teh marshall. Shure mic is good enoguh for that and you can make some semi-pro recordings if you play a little, I've miced my AVT50 marshall with cheap samson q4 mic, and got some interesting usable results. On the other hand, I don't know what are you using form software and don't know about other platforms really, their prices and what they bring. I work in Nuendo, very similar to Cubase, and heavily recommend it. But it is your choice afterall, you must do some research fro you Mac platfrom. I use Nuendo on PC, and don't know how any other app like Logic or ProTools behave because I haven't tried it yer. CHeck out some free trial versions and you'll get the idea. -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Feb 19 2008, 10:40 PM
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With Toneport UX1 you get bundled Abletone Live Lite. Haven't used it but it's worth checking out. For the rest of the money you can go for Cubase LE (if you don't like Abletone Lite), and Sure SM57
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Feb 19 2008, 11:01 PM
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QUOTE (Milenkovic Ivan @ Feb 19 2008, 10:40 PM)  With Toneport UX1 you get bundled Abletone Live Lite. Haven't used it but it's worth checking out. For the rest of the money you can go for Cubase LE (if you don't like Abletone Lite), and Sure SM57 Ok, I think I'll go for the TonePort UX1 and the microphone. Does it come with all necessary cables to connect everything or do I have to buy those apart? If I make some recordings, will the quality be good to use it in e.g. a song by a gmc virtual band or in a collaboration? I guess so I didn't find the price of Cubase LE yet, I read it's only available within a third party bundle (says the cubase website). I've been checking out prices of various DAW and I have to say I didn't know they were that expensive. Didn't expect some cost around 300, 400 and 700 euro  For me the most important thing is to start recording and get take off Though I think I'll start saving money for Logic Studio or one of the big ones Thank you guys for the advice. Once I've purchased everything, I'll start to learn how to record and hopefully upload my first recording soon! I'm really looking forward to some feedback  If any instructor or board user in general wants to add interesting things concerning best value DAW's etc, go ahead Update: I just read the manual of my Marshall JCM 2000 TSL 122 amp Read it HERE and it says the following: 5. Emulated Line Out This XLR connector provides a superb loudspeaker emulated output signal, suitable for either connecting into a PA system or for direct recording, without resorting to using microphones or external DI units. As stated earlier, by using the “output mute” function, silent recording can be accomplished, enabling late night project studio sessions to be carried out with the minimum of stress. This socket can be connected in a variety of ways. See diagram E. Can anyone explains this? Can I record directly from my amp to e.g. my Macbook Pro (using the TonePort or without the toneport?) or what does it mean? I never really got into the input and output stuff and never used the back of my amp so far
This post has been edited by sammy_k: Feb 19 2008, 11:03 PM |
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Feb 20 2008, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE (sammy_k @ Feb 19 2008, 11:01 PM) Ok, I think I'll go for the TonePort UX1 and the microphone. Does it come with all necessary cables to connect everything or do I have to buy those apart? If I make some recordings, will the quality be good to use it in e.g. a song by a gmc virtual band or in a collaboration? I guess so You got it m8. I record some of my lessons with Toneport so it shouldn't be a problem really You have to play it around a little to get a decent tone tho, simply because there are a lot of options. I suggest that you first try all the amps and then work your way through effects.QUOTE (sammy_k @ Feb 19 2008, 11:01 PM) I didn't find the price of Cubase LE yet, I read it's only available within a third party bundle (says the cubase website). I've been checking out prices of various DAW and I have to say I didn't know they were that expensive. Didn't expect some cost around 300, 400 and 700 euro For me the most important thing is to start recording and get take off Though I think I'll start saving money for Logic Studio or one of the big ones Thank you guys for the advice. Once I've purchased everything, I'll start to learn how to record and hopefully upload my first recording soon! I'm really looking forward to some feedback If any instructor or board user in general wants to add interesting things concerning best value DAW's etc, go ahead You can use either Reaper or ABletone Lite. I suggest you start off with Reaper. You have all the tutorials here Let us know how you're doing when you try out the hardware. QUOTE (sammy_k @ Feb 19 2008, 11:01 PM) Update: I just read the manual of my Marshall JCM 2000 TSL 122 amp Read it HERE and it says the following: 5. Emulated Line Out This XLR connector provides a superb loudspeaker emulated output signal, suitable for either connecting into a PA system or for direct recording, without resorting to using microphones or external DI units. As stated earlier, by using the “output mute” function, silent recording can be accomplished, enabling late night project studio sessions to be carried out with the minimum of stress. This socket can be connected in a variety of ways. See diagram E. Can anyone explains this? Can I record directly from my amp to e.g. my Macbook Pro (using the TonePort or without the toneport?) or what does it mean? I never really got into the input and output stuff and never used the back of my amp so far SUre you can use DIOut for your recordings, with or without Toneport. What I do sometimes is go through DIout fomr my Marshall AVT50 into TOneport wich is bypassed from effects, and record the Marshall tone. But my DIbox is not very good, it has a poor speaker emulation. In reality you will get the Marshall sound out of DIbox, but that is NOT the sound that comes out of cab. It will lack dynamics and presence for one thing. You can record with a mic and that is a whole better option if you do it in controled environment. -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Feb 27 2008, 10:16 PM
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QUOTE (Milenkovic Ivan @ Feb 20 2008, 05:14 PM) You got it m8. I record some of my lessons with Toneport so it shouldn't be a problem really You have to play it around a little to get a decent tone tho, simply because there are a lot of options. I suggest that you first try all the amps and then work your way through effects.You can use either Reaper or ABletone Lite. I suggest you start off with Reaper. You have all the tutorials here Let us know how you're doing when you try out the hardware. SUre you can use DIOut for your recordings, with or without Toneport. What I do sometimes is go through DIout fomr my Marshall AVT50 into TOneport wich is bypassed from effects, and record the Marshall tone. But my DIbox is not very good, it has a poor speaker emulation. In reality you will get the Marshall sound out of DIbox, but that is NOT the sound that comes out of cab. It will lack dynamics and presence for one thing. You can record with a mic and that is a whole better option if you do it in controled environment. Thanks for the interesting replies all. Do I have to buy an XLR cable seperatly, I guess I have to right? Don't think it's included with the device or microphone. One last thing, I've read the Korg Pandora PXD4 review by Muris and I must say that I got excited after reading the review and others I've found on the internet. I'm not that mucht of a expert when it comes down to technical stuff, so could anyone tell me what the difference between those two devices - the Line 6 Toneport UX 1 and the Korg Pandora PXD4- exactly is? And would the PXD4 be able to do what I want to do? Recording directly on my MacBook Pro and recording my amp sound using a Shure SM 57 microphone? I couldn't really figure out if that last thing would be possible with the Pandora. If someone could explain that to me, it would make it easier for me to stop doubting. Because at the moment, I would even buy both of them :-) There's also a PXD 5 now which seems to have USB audio, which makes the Pandora also a direct recording interface. It has more jam tracks! 744 Rhythm and Bass patterns to jam along to. That’s over seven times more than the PX4D. Plus you can chain up to 20 different patterns together. It also has more memory! 80 second phrase trainer samples and slows down your favorite tune without altering the pitch. And if you want to change the key, we’ve got you covered with a transpose feature. Price for the PXD 5 is € 225. The best price I've found around here for the PXD 4 is € 154. The Line6 TonePort UX1 costs € 129. If the PXD 4 (or 5) can do both things I've described in my posts (record in combination with the Shure SM 57 to rec my marshall amp sound AND record directly on my Macbook using the provided software and a DAW program) then I think I have something to think about before buying the TonePort UX 1. Maybe I'll even buy both. But I wanted to hear your opinion. Especially Muris if possible because I think he owns/owned a PXD 4 and uses it also for gms lessons (Correct me if I'm wrong). Thats the only thing I want to know before ordering. I was at the point of ordering when I read the Pandora review. I thought it was wise to think again and ask for advice. Better one more question before you buy, than disappointment after you buy. PS: I can't wait to start my personal Practice Schedule. I've checked out all beginner and medium lessons at GMC (or at least ALOT) and I'm really really really motivated to get started. I't really hard to ONLY choose 2 lessons for my first term of 3/4 weeks of practice (after beginners kick-off) There are so many lessons that are interesting. So I'll probably be asking for a little bit of advice soon. I made a list of about 10 lessons I want to start with, and they contain vibrato lessons, legato, rock and blues licks, bending, slow melodic solo, palm muting etc. I've tried to pick lessons that focus on learning a technique slowly but surely (and learning it right to prevent bad techniques) and focus om the basics such as alternate picking, vibrato, bending, legato, as well as some slower solo's and scale-lessons. Compared with 1,5 years ago when I first signed up, GMC has undergone a big BOOOOOOM if you ask me I'll try to limit myself to focussing on two lessons per period, nailing them perfectly and combine this with general technique exercises I hope this is a good way to start. I want to see progress, but especially want to learn things right from the start, in a correct way. Work on control rather than on speed. Speed will come over time and much much pratice. Thank you all instructors and members of GMC for making GMC into what it is today and what it will be tomorrow and the day after and... : a great place to get inspiration and to learn. Respect to you all. Sammy |
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Feb 28 2008, 12:44 AM
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PX4D is cool if you wanna go direct on your laptop without an amp,
I wouldn't combine it with an amp tho,it's too digital unit imho,and small one, you just cannot expect a miracle. But you can try,no harm there,I was just sharing my opining,maybe I'm too picky. As for audio interface,choices are many,M-Audio,E-MU,even SoundBlaster etc. DAW...I would stick with Reaper for a while,it's free and good enough to record for collabs etc. Per example,I can record the identical tone(as in my lessons) using Cubase and/or Reaper, in both ways the sound is going through E-MU 1820m which is my audio card/interface. With PX4D of course. PXD 5 has more jamming tracks etc but I guess the sound structure is the same, don't quote me on this,I'm just guessing. 
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Feb 28 2008, 01:27 AM
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Hey Sammi have you bought an interface yet? We want to hear some nice recording from you MacBook
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Feb 28 2008, 10:53 AM
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Good luck with your purchase!!
Btw,it's Muris...not Muric    
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