Why Not To Use Pirated Software, Some personal thoughts for debate |
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Why Not To Use Pirated Software, Some personal thoughts for debate |
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Nov 14 2007, 03:41 PM |
Anyone else got any theories? Without reading further to find whether the answer is there cracked software has made it possile for the large mass of people to afford (since it comes at no cost obviously) tools that were only available to companies. Someone with an interest in program development with C could get the tools needed for own program development and have contributed to high level of IT knowledge, sales of the book "C for Dummies" (or dl of the copy) and maybe him or herlelf have written some useful shareware, freeware or some mean viruses. I've been so lucky I was making a school project in C for a company and when the project was over they let me have the copy they bought. Right or wrong, at least it was payed for but here purchased by a company and it was quite expensive. Pirated music software allows anyone to have and use a home studio whick leads to a large musical development. Though I can say Reaper beats my Sony ACID Pro when it comes to earing up system resources, if there hadn't been a large number of home users noone had firstly developed Reaper and secondly noone were there to use it. So pirated software made the tools available to the masses and have created a need for a computer. I think we can say that today there freeware or shareware that will fill everyones needs. But reading back in my reply the average Joe couldn't have started developing these programs if it wasn't for cracked software since average Joe wasn't likely to afford a compiler. If if that didn't happen there would be no need for a home computer and GMC would never have been built. Surely it's stealing and moraly wrong but as I see it it has made us all evelop a lot faster than it had elsewise. As it is today we all have a chanse to use freeware and shareware and I belive that is the right way to go, so that we support the massive deveopment of new software. These programs are made for us and suits out computers and basic needs for functionality better in most cases. -------------------- My bands homepage
All time favourites: B. Streisand - Woman in Love, M. Hopkin - Those were the days, L. Richie - Hello |
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Nov 14 2007, 04:21 PM |
The changing society thing was nonsense. Nope. It's been done through out all times. This is very peaceful, used to be done with guns, swords and bow and arrow. I will take the evil capitalists with all their faults, over the alternative. See there, putting millions in ones own pocket on the side seems alright to fkalich while driving 115 kn/h on a 110 road isn't. I can understand now how you can take party with record company bosses. Drug companies will not spend zillion of development dollars coming up with drugs to cure diseases if they have to just give it away at the end. That's exactly what happens. Forumlas gets public after a few years and others can just copy the pharmacy and sell it cheaper. In the software/media industries. Well I think we can assume that if this "sharing" of somebody else's stolen property did not adversely effect profitability, they would not object. I know, you can decide if you deserve it, besides, this is just part of the overall revolution. Just don't complain when you come home and your prized guitar is missing. That was part of his social revolution. Apples and pears, that's what you're comparing. Maybe your comparance is more valid with someone selling pirated software, or the one cracking it. You suggest here more like it's an offence to listen to the music being played on the stilen guitar while knowing it was stolen. -------------------- My bands homepage
All time favourites: B. Streisand - Woman in Love, M. Hopkin - Those were the days, L. Richie - Hello |
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Nov 14 2007, 04:55 PM |
-------------------- There are 2 types of people in the world: consumers and creators. Which one are you? |
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Nov 14 2007, 10:38 PM |
Here is a twist on piracy. Not software but it relates.
http://www.rlslog.net/piracy-isnt-that-bad-and-they-know-it/ And some reflections on this http://hughstimson.org/ -------------------- Schecter C1 Hellraiser EMG 81/85, replaced with JB/Jazz (SH4/SH2n) w. coilsplit Schecter Revenger HB-105, replaced with EMG 81/85 Stratocaster Deluxe Players Noiseless Ibanez 2550z Blackstar HT5H, Blackheart BH5H w. BH112, Laney LX35D, Line6 Pod XT, Marshall MS-2 Headphones: Sennheiser RS120 Stay tuned... |
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Nov 15 2007, 12:35 AM |
Just to clarify some points in my OP and some of the subsequent posts:
I'm not a 'professor of ethics' (I'm assuming Radarlove that you were referring to me). I have a PhD in 20th C Philosophy and when I teach u/g students one course I teach is Ethics and Business Ethics. Amongst other qualifications I also have an MBA so I have a reasonable understanding of business economics and so on. Before any of us start to guess what business model Kris has - and I certainly don't know what the figures are and am not about to speculate - it's worth keeping in mind that piracy and file-sharing of GMC would undermine it. Contingency and 'worst case analysis' would almost certainly indicate that piracy and file-sharing would result in a loss of income to a point where the site would become unviable. What sensitivity analysis indicates as the probability to the worst case is though I can only imagine. The ethical principle is 'do unto others... ', it doesn't say 'don't steal' but that if you do then expect and accept both the consequences of your actions and the same to happen to you. This is a universal imperative - applies in all situations at all times to be logically consistent. The laws that we live by are morally based. Morals are not universalised but contingent - that is why different countries have different laws at different times. It is also why laws can both be broken and changed. As I've said rather then break them I prefer to work to change them. I worked my way through University - I come from a very poor family and I had three part time jobs on the go throughout my u/g. I was also an Honours 'A' student - graduated 2nd in my u/g year but I worked and sent money home to my mother DESPITE having to miss a lot of classes because I had to go to work. I worked full time whilst doing both my Masters and then again my PhD to support myself and my family. If I didn't work it would have meant that both me and my family would have gone hungry. I teach a lot of u/g and post grad students who also work for the same reasons. I have a lot of sympathy, and an understanding, of what it means to be a student with a low income. I don't however think that being a student entails a right to download and file share illegally. The argument that 'I don't have money and so couldn't buy it so I take it' is based in a modernist ideology of 'instrumental rationalism' and, at least to me, grounds why some sociologists refer to us as a narcissistic and egocentric generation. It happens to be both an argument and an ideology that I personal don't like. Minor point - allowing others to copy work in my University - and indeed other Universities that I know well - is an act of 'collusion'. In my University collusion would result in a hearing in front of the University Senate with penalties that range up to, and include, instant dismissal from the program affected and any other being undertaken at said time. I've heard for many years that those whose work is a vocation don't need to be paid as well as others because they 'do what they enjoy' and by doing so surrender their rights to a similar standard of living. Yeah right, in my book that is just another form of exploitation. They deserve the same rights and protection as everyone else and similarly software developers and coders and musicians also deserve the same protections under the law from piracy. Final bit for a while as I'd rather others debate the topic then me. To my mind a major reason why GMC is such a good site is because of all the time and effort that Kris has invested, much more then we perhaps realise and much more then we perhaps credit him for. I feel he does this not just as an 'income' but because he loves music and is seriously committed to teaching us. It's not just hard business economics at work here - there's much more. He trusts us not to misuse all that he has invested here and piracy would be a fundamental breach of his faith in us. (Apologies to Kris - this is my opinion.) Cheers, Tony -------------------- Get your music professionally mastered by anl AES registered Mastering Engineer. Contact me for Audio Mastering Services and Advice and visit our website www.miromastering.com
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Nov 15 2007, 12:51 AM |
It isn't neccessarily right because someone decided so. I think I used up half an A4 to describe what you said in one short sentence -------------------- My bands homepage
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Nov 15 2007, 12:54 AM |
I do that all the time MickeM
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Nov 15 2007, 01:36 AM |
5 pages of discussion, already?? WOW!!
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Nov 15 2007, 02:10 AM |
I do that all the time MickeM Oh yes, you if anyone is well known for short writings Anyway, I'm leaving this discusison for now since noone will convince me of the opposite and I won't convince anyone else. I usualy don't speed since I rather keep the cruise control at 100 instead of 110 where it's allowed. If I have to rush with my car to the hospital when someone needs emergency aid I will for that moment write my own laws and drive as fast as possible since I at the moment would find it appropriate. I think most people would if they found themselves in the same situation. Right? It's an offense to the law but in my mind I would think it's the right thing to do. I'm very much for peoples freedom and multiple choices where they can act according to what they think is better, which should be done without hurting someone but also without feeding someone else excessively. In contrary to tonymiro I'd say - fine, let the kids have it their way with music and movies, me as an adult will pay for my stuff because I can afford it but I don't think someone unemployed or a kid with no money and cheap parents should not have less. And think world wide here, there's not only the US and Sweden but plenty of poor countries in the world and in my eyes they could have it at no cost. I stand for it and if I ever would make commercial music I'd like those who can afford it to buy my stuff and those who can't can just take it. It's not like they would buy in anyway. Moray applies here. If you can buy it, do so, if you can't then just grab it. Most of us here won the lottery of being born in the right country or the right family, some have worked they way up to a descent economic state but facts are that not everyone will ever get that opportunity. If someone were sleeping under a viaduct and eating from garbage cans but got an opportunity to enjoy music for free and see movies for free spite it was against the law I wouldn't mind at all, and I would be happy if it was mine. If I would get big in Somalia not because of record sales but since my music is widely spread and popular I'd go there for a concert if I was invited. It would never have happened if I had to rely on record sales since it's one of the poorest countries on earth. (there could be other reasons for not going to Somalia but it's just an example) I'm completely against software piracy, in comparance to music and movies where I think the money end up in the wrong pockets and pricing is ridicilous. I'm lucky to have a job computer with Word and Excel but I lean on free and shareware rather than the more expensive tools and I'm still alive and kicking so it's possible. It had it's purpose to get people creative in their tasks but now there's enough of software for the people to go around. And I'm completely against stealing, there were some twisted comparances to stolen goods being the same as shared music. I don't think so, it's not even close. I wouldn't be sad if someone copied an mp3 from my harddrive, I would be sad if someone stole my shoes. I would be sad if that mp3 was one of my songs and someone else put his name on it. I wouldn't if it became a commercial fiasko haha or if the song was noticed and appreciated with my name still on it. Anyway, over and out of this thread for some while -------------------- My bands homepage
All time favourites: B. Streisand - Woman in Love, M. Hopkin - Those were the days, L. Richie - Hello |
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