Hu there

What do you think about this new arrangement ?
I'm sorry because my melody is very sad.
It's very hard to play slowly, I love this exercise.

I wish I had recorded my reaction. I was clapping my hands and smiling like a little kid. This is GREAT WORK, MisterM. I think the note choice is better, the playing is better and more emotional and just everything is GREAT! I love that it is sad, but also still hopeful! I love it And I can see so much improvement from the last take.

This post has been edited by Caelumamittendum: Dec 1 2021, 02:54 PM

[quote name='Phil66' date='Nov 29 2021, 10:13 PM' post='794488']
Building on my idea a little bit.

And an idea for the B section

Hey Phil, I hope you're doing well. I rambled a bit on some things, but take from it what you can and feel like

Thanks Ben,

I'll see what I can do, when I improvise I struggle to even hear chord changes, that's why I pin it all to the main key. Also, to my ears, every time you said "that sounds weird" or something life that, to my ears it sounds fine to me just shows how bad my ears are or how weird I like things

Do you have any thoughts on the B section?

Cheers

This post has been edited by Phil66: Dec 1 2021, 09:26 PM

Hi Cael
I think this collab is the best of GMC about pedagogy
It's a new age for us.
I like your constructives feedback

GMC is an elitist website that lifts us to the top about technic,
but this is the thing that was missing here.

10 years of practice without any knowledge. It is a great frustration.
Thanks to your intervention, I see the light at the end of the tunnel

This post has been edited by MisterM: Dec 1 2021, 08:07 PM

I don't think your ears are bad. Maybe I'm just not all that great at explaining it

Maybe "weird" is a bad choice of word. For me it's about what feels like tension and what feels like resolving tension (release). You go on a journey (tension, danger) but come back home (peace, safety, resolved). There are 3 notes that are "safe" on a triad-chord - the root, the 3rd and the 5th, and of course they will be on a spectrum of more or less "safe" too, with the root as the most at peace. But if we play a note outside of the chord it will create more tension, even if it's in the overall scale (A major scale on A major chord). Some notes will sound like they want to go somewhere else more than other notes.

If the note is not even in the key, that's when it creates even more tension. And the more notes we have, the more of a puzzle it is obviously and the more different things we can do. But for the large majority of what we know as music it's usually about creating tension and then releasing that tension. Almost like having a good time with a friend, then getting angry at each other (tension) and then resolving the conflict (release).

You can try to play a chord on a loop pedal or even just program a triad chord in your DAW and try out all the 12 notes on that chord. I do that in the following video on an A major triad, playing the root, minor 2nd, major 2nd, minor 3rd, major 3rd, perfect 4th, sharp 4th, perfect 5th, minor 6th, major 6th, minor 7th and major 7th and then the octave (root). Maybe meanwhile try to think: "what does this note make me feel? Does it make me feel at peace or does it make me feel like it's trying to go somewhere else?". Take your time with it though, play around with all the notes on a single chord and try capture in your brain what that note (interval) does to you on that chord.

This is maybe not the best explanation:



I liked the second idea, but it suffered from some of the same as the first one - maybe less so though. The chords move faster though, and your playing also has more energy which is great, so it's certainly more energetic!

I don't think your ear is bad or your phrasing is bad, but putting that piece into the puzzle of "what chord am I on? Oh, it's an A major chord, that means the notes A, C# and E are safe notes!".

In fairness maybe it's not even needed to use your ear for it at first, but as the chords are already noted, you know that the first solo section starts on a B minor for instance, and I know your ear isn't all that wonky as the first two notes you played were B notes



These words make me really happy I'm enjoying it a lot and I'm glad you like it.

I hope we can keep working like this or experiment with other formats too if we need to - or improve what is already good to be better

This post has been edited by Caelumamittendum: Dec 1 2021, 08:41 PM

For the record, I only played them because I knew it was a Bm chord because it says it was a Bm chord and I know I can play a B "safely", I played the third B note because, that's how I roll (at the moment), I stick in the home key because I don't hear the chord changes with everything else that's going on.

I also agree with Manu that your explanations are great, I don't think he actually meant the GMC is an "elitist website" though, something was lost in translation there maybe, maybe it wasn't I'm just guessing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elitism

Cheers and thanks for taking the time to help us all

Very nice Solo Manu. Great playing and melody

I think you can still "trust the process" or "trust the theory/math" and then I think your ear will adapt more and more. I.e. you know the Bm is playing on the first two bars, and you knew to play the B note. If you figure out the other notes for the B minor chord you can "trust the math" to aim for the 3 notes in the B minor chord. That doesn't mean you should only play those notes, but ending a phrase from the B minor pentatonic on those notes from the B minor chord will always make a good choice. I think it's one of the things that can definitely be trained

Another approach could be to count it as:

"Bm, 2, 3, 4, Bm, 2, 3, 4, A, 2, 3, 4, A, 2, 3, 4, G..."

This way maybe the chords are more clear in your mind while aiming for the notes from the chords at the end of phrases

You could also chart out color coded chords in the B minor scale for those "good to end phrases on"-notes on the specific chords. Here's an example that could have been made much better:

Blue = B minor chord
Red = A major chord
Green = G major chord



I'll give a video example either later or tomorrow. Currently putting christmas decorations up around my house

This post has been edited by Caelumamittendum: Dec 1 2021, 11:07 PM

Has anyone submitted a take for the uptempo section? I'm going to start working out a solo for that part.



Wow, sounds great. The wide vibrato brings the solo to a new level. Nice work!!

I don't think there's anything officially submitted, but Phil posted a work in progress earlier. Feel free to record and submit something of whatever you feel like and then we'll see. I might soon start to just put "something" together - not as anything near final, but just to see what we have an experiment a bit, get an overview of it all and such

This is my first rough idea for the solo part.

 lonesome_cowboy_solo.mp3 ( 859.31K ) Number of downloads: 89


I'll leave some guitar only mp3 in case you are planning to start prearranging the song.

 motif_guitar_only.mp3 ( 859.31K ) Number of downloads: 56


 cowboy_solo_guitar_only.mp3 ( 859.31K ) Number of downloads: 69

Hi Tim

Thank you



Hi Degroot

Thank you

Congrat for your last take
I love it !

This post has been edited by MisterM: Dec 3 2021, 06:46 PM

Hi Cael,

I worked a bit more on it, taking onboard a your suggestions like starting lower, changed a few bends (which I think now "fit better") added the blue notes in a couple of points and worked on the timing. Still not perfect (i'll try to do cleaner rec this weekend) but the ideas are there so keen to share to hear your thoughts.

really good fun and great practice!

thanks

 solo_A_practice_7.wav ( 9.82MB ) Number of downloads: 52

Hello Ben.

Is there a specifick task that you want or want to be done?
So yes let me know

Hey! Thanks for the last couple of replies. I'll get around around to replying properly to them during the weekend

I had football training last night and I pushed myself a bit much (I'm trying to get back in shape), so my mind and body are very tired today

Hi there

Here link :

https://soundcloud.com/guitare-capture/lone...044e6e07a7f6805

So I have worked on this a bit today and came up with a few different ideas and I will say that an idea on its own is so much more complicated over a chord progression. So as I played along, whistled, hummed and jammed on the ideas in my head, it was way harder to express those melodies with the guitar.

HERE IS MY SECOND TAKE

This post has been edited by Jim S.: Dec 5 2021, 08:38 PM

I love your take mate! It's great and has a nice balance in it.

I really dig that pedal tone bit nice!!