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Phil66
Dec 15 2021, 10:03 PM
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I heard some music last night and it completely changed what i want to do with this.

I've recorded something, I hope it works for you.



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Dec 16 2021, 07:23 AM
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So what did you hear and how did it change what you want to do? smile.gif Sounds cool so far smile.gif

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I heard some music last night and it completely changed what i want to do with this.

I've recorded something, I hope it works for you.



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Phil66
Dec 16 2021, 08:27 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Dec 16 2021, 06:23 AM) *
So what did you hear and how did it change what you want to do? smile.gif Sounds cool so far smile.gif


To be honest, I don't know what it was, I sent you a documentary last night via FB Messenger that I'm sure you'll enjoy, it was in there as a bit of background music and it just inspired me. I had a slight recognition of what I heard, maybe Gary Moore? You'll probably know when you hear it, I'll send you the time, I think it's around 32 minutes in.

It just inspired me to try something different for this collab to what I was doing, I had to do a composite track to keep with the chords because I don't know the fretboard very well, or the CAGED system at all so I put chord markers into Reaper and then I tried to stay around the same fretboard area for where the Bm Penta is (7th fret root) but using the "correct" notes for each chord and then recorded over each chord separately, hopefully in time I'll be able to do this without much thought. I still might be way off because I used Bm A G and D penta notes and I'm not sure if that's correct.

At first, by mistake, I played Am pent (shape 1) over the A chord and it sounded way off to my ears so hopefully something good is happening with them. That's when I decided to try and stay in the same area of the fretboard rather than dancing around.

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Storm Linnebjerg
Dec 16 2021, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Dec 16 2021, 09:27 AM) *
To be honest, I don't know what it was, I sent you a documentary last night via FB Messenger that I'm sure you'll enjoy, it was in there as a bit of background music and it just inspired me. I had a slight recognition of what I heard, maybe Gary Moore? You'll probably know when you hear it, I'll send you the time, I think it's around 32 minutes in.

It just inspired me to try something different for this collab to what I was doing, I had to do a composite track to keep with the chords because I don't know the fretboard very well, or the CAGED system at all so I put chord markers into Reaper and then I tried to stay around the same fretboard area for where the Bm Penta is (7th fret root) but using the "correct" notes for each chord and then recorded over each chord separately, hopefully in time I'll be able to do this without much thought. I still might be way off because I used Bm A G and D penta notes and I'm not sure if that's correct.

At first, by mistake, I played Am pent (shape 1) over the A chord and it sounded way off to my ears so hopefully something good is happening with them. That's when I decided to try and stay in the same area of the fretboard rather than dancing around.

Cheers

Phil


Reading this made me so happy, Phil! See, your ears work fine! It sounded off with the A minor pentatonic on the A chord, so I think you're right - big improvement!



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Phil66
Dec 16 2021, 10:24 PM
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Here's my same last take with a different guitar tone.

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Jim S.
Dec 19 2021, 12:55 AM
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Made some revisions but am close to a final take. Ive not had too much time to play but got an hour today.

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Dec 19 2021, 06:04 AM
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I dig your playing! Can you try a pass with less gain? The "cowboy vibe" on both of these collabs works well with a tone that has a bit of breakup but not that much. I'm not sure if you have experience with this type of tone. Sort of twangy/country "ish"?
Just a thought smile.gif



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Made some revisions but am close to a final take. Ive not had too much time to play but got an hour today.

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Jim S.
Dec 19 2021, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Dec 19 2021, 01:04 AM) *
I dig your playing! Can you try a pass with less gain? The "cowboy vibe" on both of these collabs works well with a tone that has a bit of breakup but not that much. I'm not sure if you have experience with this type of tone. Sort of twangy/country "ish"?
Just a thought smile.gif


Thanks Todd! I am having a hard time finding a good low gain setting. I have gojira vst from archetype. I’ll spend some time today working on a tone. Any suggestions would be helpful

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Dec 19 2021, 05:57 PM
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QUOTE (Jim S. @ Dec 19 2021, 05:12 PM) *
Thanks Todd! I am having a hard time finding a good low gain setting. I have gojira vst from archetype. I’ll spend some time today working on a tone. Any suggestions would be helpful


I have that plugin too, but I mainly use it for rhyhtm tones. I'll have a look through it a bit later - watching a game of football now and then my dad is visiting after that, but I will look after that smile.gif

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Dec 19 2021, 06:40 PM
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So I found that if I shut off the amp and add slight Overdrive pedal it gives a much more clean tone. What do you guys think of this take?

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Storm Linnebjerg
Dec 19 2021, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE (Jim S. @ Dec 19 2021, 07:40 PM) *
So I found that if I shut off the amp and add slight Overdrive pedal it gives a much more clean tone. What do you guys think of this take?


YES! That tone (or similar of course) fits GREAT, in my opinion smile.gif And I think your take just improved 100 fold from that tone change smile.gif

I apologize for not having had time to go into depth yet. I had a quick listen though and I think it's MUCH MUCH better smile.gif

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I like this one a lot better as well smile.gif Also very cool choices on the notes!!!

QUOTE (Jim S. @ Dec 19 2021, 01:40 PM) *
So I found that if I shut off the amp and add slight Overdrive pedal it gives a much more clean tone. What do you guys think of this take?



its really coming together! What amp/cab are you using? Also, have you thought about putting some delay/chorus/reverb on it? It's a slow ballad so there is some space for fx. It can round out the tone and make use of sonic space.

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Dec 16 2021, 05:24 PM) *
Here's my same last take with a different guitar tone.


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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Dec 20 2021, 04:41 PM) *
I like this one a lot better as well smile.gif Also very cool choices on the notes!!!




its really coming together! What amp/cab are you using? Also, have you thought about putting some delay/chorus/reverb on it? It's a slow ballad so there is some space for fx. It can round out the tone and make use of sonic space.


My gnx4 broke and seeing the adds for the archetype vst got her playing guitar again. I bought gojira and just run my guitar into mixer to daw. I add gojira as an effect. Turning off the amp seems to give a great clean tone but I miss my older tube amp and cranking that baby… something special about it that I can’t describe. That’s long gone so vst’s are my game now.

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Dec 21 2021, 09:24 PM
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Does any of you have a recording of the motif ready? I know MisterM did a soundcloud upload earlier which sounded great. If you have that without the backing track it would be great. Same for anyone else. smile.gif

I have Degroot's version of the motif as a guitar-only file.

Finally have some time to look through what we have, so just going over it.

Actually I don't have Degroots motif guitar-only smile.gif I have the counter melody-guitar only.

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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Dec 21 2021, 08:24 PM) *
Actually I don't have Degroots motif guitar-only smile.gif I have the counter melody-guitar only.


Hi Ben, The motif “guitar only” can be found on page 5.

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Does this work?

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QUOTE (DeGroot @ Dec 22 2021, 12:51 AM) *
Hi Ben, The motif “guitar only” can be found on page 5.


Thanks! Seems I had made a mistake and renamed the file with the playing on the backing track into "Degroot_Mofif_Guitar_Only" smile.gif My bad!

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Storm Linnebjerg
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Merry Christmas to all who have participated so far. Let's see if we can't wrap this up in the coming weeks smile.gif I ended up getting rather busy with seeing family and friends during December, but I should be back to normal soon laugh.gif

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This might be a little better quality. Im trying to get a better clean tone but.... its harder than I imagined

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Phil66
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I'm using this as a learning experience so no problem if my stuff doesn't make the final cut wink.gif

I've kept it simple to try and focus on what Ben and Todd have been helping me with wink.gif

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