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Do You Believe In A God Or Gods? |
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Mar 21 2008, 10:29 PM |
google works both ways friend.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/b...alcolm/evol.htm http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/arguments.shtml in fact your whole website you keep pointing back to is quite clearly a website with an agenda, about half of the stuff I've read on it that "disproves" counterpoints is some fellow at his computer sitting down and really hashing out the semantics of the phrasing then proving the way it was phrased is somehow inaccurate, rarely does it address the actual issue with the argument. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html Seriously, this guy won't back up any of his claims but falls back on a lot of the "this argument shows a lack of understanding about x." or "if you rephrase this argument this way, then it's true". That's not proving anything. And his argument against the 2nd law is lacking. He pigeon holes the argument as saying "people are thinking this way but they are forgetting about the sun, duh" which doesn't even begin to address it and is pseudointellectualism at its best. Not one of those questions does he answer directly, he creates a frame for the question, shifts it then attempts to "disprove" it. Read his answer to each of those questions in the FAQ. Could I take that FAQ to task point by point like he does? Certainly, but it would require loads of research I'm not willing to do (nor have time) and lots of squabbling over semantics just like he does. I'm coping out of that one just like they cop out about REALLy addressing the fossil record. What cracks me up is he establishes this vague definition of evolution then faults the rest of the arguments "for not understanding evolution". His definition verbatim is : "Biologists define evolution as a change in the gene pool of a population over time" Bravo sir, if your goal is to prove that evolution DOES occur, then that's a fairly easy one and I don't think anyone is arguing that point. Pesticide and antibiotics losing effectiveness plainly prove that, but he skirts away from the argument of "Evolution is the explanation for how humans came to be". His argument about transitional fossils is absurd and doesn't even begin to confront the issue and is really just approaching it as in "There are these fossils we have found with very slight differences, so there ARE transitional fossils", but what he fails to mention is the lack of any SIGNIFICANT transitional fossils, clear benchmarks along the way form one lineage to the next. If you dig deeper and look in the "talkorigin.org" archive it pretty much admits that while they have found SOME fossils that show somewhat of a transition, then this supposes that there are LOTS of transitional fossils, they have just not been discovered yet, because it is "excruciatingly boring, soul destroying work". Basically I submit to you cannot know evolution to be true based on the body of evidence currently available. When you boil it down you have used science to justify a secular belief that you desire to be true yet still lack the proper body of evidence for it to be accepted as truth, which shows an act of "faith" on your behalf that somehow the rest of the information that's missing will fill itself in to support your claim. EDIT: and now you prove my point with your edit. There is a "missing link" and given the extremely patient nature of the rest of the fossils to suppose that "well maybe it was only around for one generation and no fossils were preserved" is to defeat the entire chain of logic used to develop the argument. I'm not disagreeing that evolution did not/does not happen, but merely acceptance this theory as absolute truth is closing your mind to additional information that may surface, which is not a very scholarly attitude to keep about it. You must always accept the possibility that you may be wrong until all doubt is removed, is basically what I am advocating. This post has been edited by Goliath: Mar 21 2008, 10:34 PM -------------------- "King V" enthusiast
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Mar 21 2008, 11:35 PM |
believer
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Mar 22 2008, 02:50 AM |
Here's how I see things,could be a bit odd tho.
Holy Books are saying about creation by Him, in school they teach us about Evolution,even Big Bang etc. I support all of this,creation,evolution,Big Bang... There are no videos of creation,no videos of evolution(long therm process),no snapshots of Big Bang. But I do know few things. I cannot create life on my own,I cannot start or irritate evolution and I would need tons of C4 to have a Small Bang. So it tells me something about force around us,it doesn't mater how we call it. -------------------- Youtube
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Mar 22 2008, 02:17 PM |
But I do know few things. I cannot create life on my own,I cannot start or irritate evolution and I would need tons of C4 to have a Small Bang. Hahaha, thats the best post so far |
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