7th Chord Progressions And Modes Options

[MrVegas]

hello, I'm practicing some chord progressions and modes, I understand how to build major and minor chords and know where my modes are. and I'm trying to understand the theory behind it all.
when your in a major key the I chord can be a major7th the ii, iv, and vi can be played as minor 7th the 4th major 7th, the 5th as a dominant7.
if I play dorian over a ii, iv,IV progression built from the major scale I could still use 7th chords with dorian mode. so I guess what I'm asking is as I'm trying to get all of this committed to memory am I correct on how seventh chords and the the dorian mode fits into building chord progressions from the major scale? also is the 5 chord always a dominant chord in major and minor?
I'm trying to commit all keys to memory and want to get as comfortable with this to the point someone can tell me a progression with numbers in a particular key and I know exactly what chords to use without much thought, any tips and suggestions?

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[Kristofer Dahl]

Hey Mr Vegas!

also is the 5 chord always a dominant chord in major and minor?

In major yes, in minor no.

If you have a dominant chord on the V (fifth scale degree) the key is not minor but harmonic minor. In a minor scale the V is a m7 (minor seventh) chord.

if I play dorian over a ii, iv,IV progression built from the major scale I could still use 7th chords with dorian mode. so I guess what I'm asking is as I'm trying to get all of this committed to memory am I correct on how seventh chords and the the dorian mode fits into building chord progressions from the major scale?

I think you might be confused here. If you are building and playing over a major chord progression, ie:

I (M7)-IV (M7)-V (7)

...you should not really be thinking dorian if you want to play one single scale over the progression, you should be thinking about the major scale.

However if you are playing in a dorian chord progression, ie:

i (m7) - IV (7) - v (m7)

then you can think dorian mode over the entire chord progression.

The reason you are confused, is probably because some people teach that the C major scale contain the same notes as the D Dorian mode. This is technically correct but very confusing - so I would try to forget about learning the modes like that. Instead I would recommend you see each mode as a different scale - this way you will learn how they sound from the root note, and this is the only way I think your ears can start to hear the difference between the modes.

Let me know if it makes sense. This stuff can be tricky to understand so please ask again if its not clear.

I'm trying to commit all keys to memory and want to get as comfortable with this to the point someone can tell me a progression with numbers in a particular key and I know exactly what chords to use without much thought, any tips and suggestions?

Although I could work this out theoretically I am very slow at it, but I guess that's just a practice thing.

The idea is that you need to understand what type of chord is built on each scale degree. And as you have seen from my answer above this of course depends on what scale you are in (is it minor, major, dorian mode, mixolydian mode ? etc)

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[MrVegas]

Hey Mr Vegas!



In major yes, in minor no.

If you have a dominant chord on the V (fifth scale degree) the key is not minor but harmonic minor. In a minor scale the V is a m7 (minor seventh) chord.



I think you might be confused here. If you are building and playing over a major chord progression, ie:

I (M7)-IV (M7)-V (7)

...you should not really be thinking dorian if you want to play one single scale over the progression, you should be thinking about the major scale.
thank you for your reply this is very helpful
so think of d dorian as its own scale build the chord progression I'm going to use off of I-iii
However if you are playing in a dorian chord progression, ie:

i (m7) - IV (7) - v (m7)

then you can think dorian mode over the entire chord progression.

The reason you are confused, is probably because some people teach that the C major scale contain the same notes as the D Dorian mode. This is technically correct but very confusing - so I would try to forget about learning the modes like that. Instead I would recommend you see each mode as a different scale - this way you will learn how they sound from the root note, and this is the only way I think your ears can start to hear the difference between the modes.

Let me know if it makes sense. This stuff can be tricky to understand so please ask again if its not clear.



Although I could work this out theoretically I am very slow at it, but I guess that's just a practice thing.

The idea is that you need to understand what type of chord is built on each scale degree. And as you have seen from my answer above this of course depends on what scale you are in (is it minor, major, dorian mode, mixolydian mode ? etc)

thank you this is very helpful.
it is a bit confusing to me but I think I'm beginning to understand hopefully this is correct, the dorian chord progression could be made from i-ii-III-IV-v-vidim-VII? I have been practicing dorian over pre recorded tracks on you tube so I'm used to the scale. if I would like to start recording my own pieces in dorian. the progression using am7-Cmaj7-em7 in the key of A dorian would be correct? the progression sound good to me.
also I will remember dom7 chords is the V chord for major, and minor 7th is the 5 chord for minor, I worked out the Edominant 7th, while playing in the key of Amajor, so I could find the explanation on why it is a flatted 7th and saw that if the V chord were to be played as a major 7th like the rest of the major chords it would ad a note to the major scale that does not belong to it, so I guess this explains why it is a dominant 7th? am I correct on this? I am enjoying studying music theory, I like how the pieces fit together and how it can be worked out. thank you for your help.

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[Storm Linnebjerg]

thank you this is very helpful.
it is a bit confusing to me but I think I'm beginning to understand hopefully this is correct, the dorian chord progression could be made from i-ii-III-IV-v-vidim-VII? I have been practicing dorian over pre recorded tracks on you tube so I'm used to the scale. if I would like to start recording my own pieces in dorian. the progression using am7-Cmaj7-em7 in the key of A dorian would be correct? the progression sound good to me.
also I will remember dom7 chords is the V chord for major, and minor 7th is the 5 chord for minor, I worked out the Edominant 7th, while playing in the key of Amajor, so I could find the explanation on why it is a flatted 7th and saw that if the V chord were to be played as a major 7th like the rest of the major chords it would ad a note to the major scale that does not belong to it, so I guess this explains why it is a dominant 7th? am I correct on this? I am enjoying studying music theory, I like how the pieces fit together and how it can be worked out. thank you for your help.

One thing to remember is that you may want the chord progression to sound dorian, and Am7, Cmaj7, Em7 will enheritely be very similar to a progression in Aminor, as it doesn't have anything that stands out as A dorian. In dorian the raised 6th will set it apart from aeolian, and you might want to have this note in a chord.

For instance a progression starting on the root in the A dorian mode (Am) and having the 4th chord of dorian (D) will probably more so show the listener that you are in A dorian, as you have the F# in there.

Mind you, I'm no expert, so someone with more knowledge can correct me here

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This post has been edited by Caelumamittendum: Feb 29 2020, 10:17 PM

[Todd Simpson]

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[Storm Linnebjerg]

Sadly, despite all the information Rich shared being correct, we do have other sources for lots of things, we are probably going to see shortages. Supply chain disruption doesn't get fixed over night. This is why folks are being urged to get up to a 90 day supply of their meds if possible. For folks with diabetes, heart disease, etc, a disruption in supply can be a big problem. The FDA has already raised the flag about the first corona related drug shortage but they won't say which drug to avoid a run of panic buying and creating a black market.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/...-name-the-drug/

Wrong topic, I think This topic is about 7th chords, Todd

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This post has been edited by Caelumamittendum: Feb 29 2020, 04:31 PM