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Dec 3 2015, 11:38 PM
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Thanks Mertay,
I hope this is giving you some valuable experience for when you get some other numpty asking loads of questions  One of my problems is I am into real HiFi and have Meridian equipment so I don't like it when something isn't sounding like the source  Cheers buddy Phil This post has been edited by Phil66: Dec 4 2015, 12:14 PM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE  “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Dec 4 2015, 12:31 AM
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Some great advice
You are on your way to being a recordist! I read through the thread and I don't yet get if you have an audio interface or are you going direct in to your internal computer sound card? As for "routing" the good news is that it's easy! If you have a FOUR CHANNEL interface, you can get a splitter for your guitar so it would go GUITAR/SPLITTER/ then you have two cables out. One goes to guitar amp, one goes directly in to the interface. Now you have 3 channels left on your interface to put up to 3 microphones. Honestly though, 2 inputs is probably enough Especially if your using one microphone. Being able to mix the miced amp with a dry signal that you put amplitude or something on, can yield really good results. As for recording a cab. WHAT MERTAY SAID! P.S. What type of mic are you using? Please tell me it's a SHURE SM57QUOTE (Phil66 @ Dec 3 2015, 06:38 PM)  Thanks Mertay,
I hope this is giving you some valuable experience foot when you get some other numpty asking loads of questions One of my problems is I am into real HiFi and have Meridian equipment so I don't like it when something isn't sounding like the source Cheers buddy Phil |
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Dec 4 2015, 08:35 AM
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Thanks Todd and Mertay,
Todd: Using my GT-001 as my interface not going into computer soundcard. Mic is Shure SM-57 Mertay: We need to start again  I woke at 3am with this on my mind, I said about the sound from monitors having an almost echo sound to it, well at 3am I woke up and my words word "Phil you xxxxxxx dingbat, you had a patch running in the GT-001" I went and checked and yes, there it was, with reverb, delay, chorus, amp sim and cab sim!!!!!!!!!!!! No wonder it sounded so different  I have a patch called "NO FX" which has everything switched off, I will go through that tonight Another thing, it's a 4x8 cab not 4x10, I keep saying 4x10 Sorry folks Mertay, I actually swapped my Meridian CD player and dual monoblock amp along with some Mission speakers for the F80, it sounds incredible. I've only ever bought pre-owned Meridian equipment, it's far too expensive to buy new  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP3WYE1KdZA This post has been edited by Phil66: Dec 4 2015, 12:22 PM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Dec 4 2015, 08:45 PM
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Thanks Mertay,
I'm actually enjoying this recording stuff, very interesting When I took the mic stand out of the box, the bottom screw clamp was broken, nothing major, just the plastic head that you turn it with had nearly half missing. I emailed the shop and told them, said it's not an issue as I won't be using that screw once it is set up but thought they should know for future dispatches. They immediately put a replacement whole stand on delivery and told me to keep the original The Meridian CD player I had was a little different to most. When you ejected the CD, you didn't just see a flimsy drawer come out, it was actually the whole internals, you could see the laser. I think this must have been to prevent any alignment issues and to minimise error correction but I don't really know how they work so I might be totally wrong  Sounds coming soon
This post has been edited by Phil66: Dec 4 2015, 09:06 PM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Dec 4 2015, 10:12 PM
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Ok, this is the closest I can get it to sounding like my actual amp without spending hours making micro adjustments
It was closest to the amp/cab tone when I put it half way between centre and edge. In the middle it seemed a little bit harsh. Mic was about 1" from grill. Signal was hitting around -30bd on the peak meter so that patch must have boosted it a little bit. The actual decibels coming from the cab at the mic location is around 85 with a peak of 90, my acoustic at the soundhole is around 90db with a good hard strum. I need to get some playing practise done now so I'll stop experimenting for a day. Please keep in mid that it is impossible to get Reaper to clip with this GT001, some sort of internal auto level thing I guess. This is why I'm thinking of a new interface, one with input level knobs. Thank you everyone for your help https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/bridge-cleanish-ii https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/neck-cleanish-ii https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/bridge-dirty-ii https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/neck-dirty-ii https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/bridge-v-dirty https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/neck-v-dirty https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/acoustic-12th-fret -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Dec 5 2015, 10:47 AM
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Thanks Mertay
I should have said I used a different guitar, it was a Strat with split coils. I used single for the clans and humbuckers for the dirty. What do you think of the acoustic? Reverb was on about 30% Is it worth getting a new soundcard and a head with fx loop like the Blackstar 5w so I can put the GT-001 in the loop for modulation? (Expensive route) I can't really turn the volume up any louder unless the house is empty would a more sensitive mic be an option?Maybe get rid of GT-001 and use plugins for modulation effects with a decent interface. The preamp gain in the GT-001 goes to +20 dB. I feel we have got somewhere really quickly and am extremely grateful to you. Thank you. Cheers This post has been edited by Phil66: Dec 5 2015, 10:49 AM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Dec 5 2015, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Dec 3 2015, 09:38 AM) Ha ha ha! Read a part of this topicand I see Phill..you're squeezing MEraty to the limits of his patience (huge pateince)  Well done Mertay BTW No-you do not need 2 interfaces=soundcards because for the purpose you mention, each of prviously mentioned Focurite or Presonus card will support the ability to record 2 sources (voc + instrument) at two independent tracks. Buying externam interface is always a good deal even if you would be using it only as a preamp for micorphone. It takes care of few things that usually would case o need to purchase a few separate devices. These days many Guitar FX devices have buil-in usb connection which actually makes them visible as an audio interace for your computer. Yet...this only means you won't have to degarde your singal quality byt connection guitar fx through analog out to PC built-in soundcard (realtek driver or similar). Basicly by audio interface we understand a device that will 1. Process analog audio inputs into digital information 2. Will take huge part of CPU usage for audio processing into it's own CPU, making your recording gear more efficient 3. Will usually give you ability to power up condenser microphones - 48 phantom power 4. Will give you ability to play with lower latency 5. Will give you much betweer signal to noise relation than typical PC built-in card 6. Will give you muhc higer resolution (quality) of recorded tracks (24 bit /98 kHz for example insteadof 16bit/44.1 kHz) So no matter if Your GT is able to work as an interface, it will not solve a lot of situations above. If you plan to spend some time on recordings in the future...even if just for fun, you should definitely buy an interface Thanks Darius Sorry I missed this post of yours  I don't mind getting rid of the GT-001 BUT I do like the idea of hardware effects. I'm starting to understand more about why modulation shouldn't really go at the front of an amp. It's tricky with limited budgets to go all hardware. Also when doing a REC take having only two amps will prevent me from getting a sound match close to the instructor which is where plugins and even the GT-001 amp SIMD come into play. It's such a big subject with so many variables I just want a simple set up for now. One that allows me to get close to an instructor tone for REC takes (software plugins, Amplitude etc) and a simple to use mic setup for my own projects for collabs, creativity workshops etc. It is doing these projects where I will try to improve my recording skills. To anyone else Reading this topic, particularly Todd and Mertay, would Eleven Rack be an option? What is it's mic preamp likje? Thanks QUOTE (Mertay @ Dec 5 2015, 11:05 AM) Glad you're liking whats going on as you're using your limited time with good effort The sm57 is a mic. that does need good gain but a more sensitive mic. might pickup too much room/computer noise so I think you're good with the sm57 right now, its a proven mic. so we're cool. The only problem I see now is input gain. Most cost effective solution would be the presonus preamp I mentioned, could you email boss service if its ok to use an external preamp with the gt001? (ask if it would cause too much noise comapred to using a typical soundcard) If no then I'm afraid we will need a dedicated soundcard. Here is our current situation; if we can do (depending on the boss service answer) mic. to preamp to gt001 as soundcard then we're good. We'll get good input level so no noise issues. But if we can't use something like a presonus preamp this won't work; mic. to gt001 as fx unit to (new) soundcard...reason is since the input gain on gt001 is low, we'll only increase the noisey sound from the gt001. Best for now is writing and waiting an answer from the service, depending on the answer then we'll figure out the best solution. Thanks Mertay, Email sent, should get reply by Tuesday Did the acoustic sound any better? Cheers -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Dec 5 2015, 08:45 PM
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Thanks Mertay,
I'll put this on hold until we hear from Boss. Cheers Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Dec 5 2015, 11:48 PM
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Thanks Mertay,
Is really nice that you thought about my limited time but you have limited time too and I really appreciate you giving your time up to help. I'm loving this recording malarkey -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Dec 7 2015, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Dec 7 2015, 07:24 AM) You don't have to get rid of GT100 You can still use it for your favorite tones and plug it the way you're used to or just through analog line out to your new interface. Both - Boss and interfece won't interfere with each other. As for REC tones.... Don't get into a trap of trying to perfectly clone the tone for each lesson...not by using 100000000 preset - each for particular lesson. Players do not do that in real life. We choose and amp or 2and stick to it. We try to get best clean, crunch and high gain tones from a single amp. It's almost like a marriage. We choose and amp for a life and we get familiar with it's good and bad sides. We "learn each other" to so we are able to deliver the type of tone we need for particular purpose, trying to get it with our "one and only amp". Of course sometimes (for recording CD/album) we borrow amps to get perfect tone for this particular studio suituation, but most of the time it's like above. So.. I think what should be the target for everyplayer is to find an amp you feel works best for what you play most often, and stick to it. Learn how to make it sound good for different type of tones, learn how to play to make fit something. That's how things work in real life. Thanks Darius, I'm pleased I can keep my GT-001, when recording amp with mic would new interface or preamp go before or after gt-001? Regarding REC, it's going to be hard to get close to all the different amps you instructors have especially as my Blackstar only has one eq knob which is called ISF "Infinite Shape Feature" but hopefully I can tweak with GT001 or plugins. It's nice to get a similar tone. I guess this is the area most students don't think about when buying equipment. Cheers -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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