Kris-must Charm :: Audio Collaboration, GMC students and instructor collab |
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Dec 29 2014, 09:01 AM
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Hey guys! First post ever just got membership!
Here's my attempts (I couldn't decide which one I liked more so I'm post both of them): #1 https://soundcloud.com/nick-peacock-7/attempt-one-w-backing #1 No Backing Track: https://soundcloud.com/nick-peacock-7/attempt-one-no-backing #2 https://soundcloud.com/nick-peacock-7/attempt-2-w-backing #2 No Backing Track: https://soundcloud.com/nick-peacock-7/attempt-two-no-backing |
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Dec 29 2014, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Dec 28 2014, 07:59 PM)  I think this situation is very interesting. Darius and I are of clearly different opinions, though I can see where his is coming from. Now this is a very 'good' problem, since both your versions are good (it's just that I think one of them is excellent).  In the end what matters is what you (Degroot) think, so I think you should have the final word. Heck you can even subit a thrid version if you want! EXACTLY!  Fortunately we are not scientists who argue about the earth to be square or round Let's be clear. DeGroot is at the skills level where he doesn't need that much straight technical care from us and at this level our help becomes more and more subjective. We start to talk more about our personal feelings on his takes than a obvious mistkes in playing Really cool idea to let him and students decide I'm glad we have that situation here because it simnply prooves something very important You know what I mean Monica? QUOTE (Phil66 @ Dec 28 2014, 08:31 PM) Ok everyone, Another try. The very last lick feels like a big sigh of despair as the lonely old person closes their eyes. Bloody hell this has brought some darkness out in me  [attachment=40339:Crimbo_c...g_take_5.wav] [attachment=40340:Crimbo_c...g_take_5.wav] I don't know if it's classed as cheating but I only recorded the last 5 bars at the end. I can play it all the way through but I think the first part is ok so to save time I just did the last 5 bars. Playing it back I think the bend at :29 is off, shame I didn't hear it when playing as I have run out of time now. Back tomorrow. IMPORTANT NOTE BELOW If anyone downloaded the files above before 20:30 GMT there was an error. Please download again. Sorry folks, I'm still learning how to record properly. Cheers all. Phil No worries Recording a few crutial bars is acceptable when You don't want to loose Your creativity for repating something You consider to be done. I hope You'll forgie us trying to squeeze You to the limits but I think we all agree every single take You make is getting better and better QUOTE (Jim S. @ Dec 29 2014, 12:50 AM) Yes certainly. In fact I'm working the tapping and ending licks again. I'm looking at two angles. The first is how I'm attacking with picking hand. 2 problems, 1 I loose control of my tapping foot when I begin those solos. 2, when I switch positions my timing goes out of sync because I'm not familiar enough with that change. I'm also finding that adding a rhythmic element to those runs helps keep the line in time. That's kinda hard to explain. Darius I know the chord progression is D, Bmin? Or Db/Bmin? To G then A? I'm having a hard time with the chord in between D and Bmin. Any chance you could give me some hints? Soon as I record again I'll post it here! Hey Jim. Chrod progression is actually nothing fancy. It's a bcking track from my latest lesson - You can review it for any tips You need It's just a D, G, Em, A all over QUOTE (Nick6373 @ Dec 29 2014, 08:01 AM) Hey guys! First post ever just got membership! Here's my attempts (I couldn't decide which one I liked more so I'm post both of them): #1 https://soundcloud.com/nick-peacock-7/attempt-one-w-backing #1 No Backing Track: https://soundcloud.com/nick-peacock-7/attempt-one-no-backing #2 https://soundcloud.com/nick-peacock-7/attempt-2-w-backing #2 No Backing Track: https://soundcloud.com/nick-peacock-7/attempt-two-no-backing hey and wellcome in the family Very nice intruduction though For my taste Your first take would be a nice sketch to workout. I believe it is more a spontanious improvisation than arranged solo. What I would suggest to do is to learn Your own solo just like You would do while learning Guns'n'roses solo etc The idea is to make things as perfect as possible. There are some timming and tuning issues to fix.Fisrt of all I would recommend to recheck the tuning in positions while tuning Your guitar. When the takes is 100% in tune it doesn't have to be mindblowing but still sound pro. Correct pitch in the solos brings that "pro" feeling while listening even if the solo seems to be simple. Antoher extra points we get for the good timming. You can achieve that by simply learning Your solo and practicing before recording final version
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Dec 29 2014, 02:17 PM
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Here's mine:-
https://soundcloud.com/neilwaller/krismas-full https://soundcloud.com/neilwaller/krismas-nbt I hope you like it. -------------------- I'd rather have a full Bottle in front of me than a full Frontal Lobotomy!!
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Dec 29 2014, 02:29 PM
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Hello all,
I'll be having another go later today, it will be my last try until Friday as I'm going away for new year celebrations Any tips on my take I posted yesterday? Cheers Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE  “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Dec 29 2014, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Dec 28 2014, 09:31 PM) Ok everyone, Another try. The very last lick feels like a big sigh of despair as the lonely old person closes their eyes. Bloody hell this has brought some darkness out in me [attachment=40339:Crimbo_c...g_take_5.wav] [attachment=40340:Crimbo_c...g_take_5.wav] I don't know if it's classed as cheating but I only recorded the last 5 bars at the end. I can play it all the way through but I think the first part is ok so to save time I just did the last 5 bars. Playing it back I think the bend at :29 is off, shame I didn't hear it when playing as I have run out of time now. Back tomorrow. IMPORTANT NOTE BELOW If anyone downloaded the files above before 20:30 GMT there was an error. Please download again. Sorry folks, I'm still learning how to record properly. Cheers all. Phil Cool Phil, I think this sounds good! To me the only thing lacking is a more powerful ending. However your phrase at 00:28 is pretty suitable. So again I think the easiest way out would be to have one or more dubs (additional guitar track) here. You don't need to play a harmony, you could just play the exact same thing - and it will fatten up the sound and give the push needed for the 'grand finale'. Another option is to re-record the phrase playing it a bit more aggressively, hitting it harder and applying aggressive vibrato. This can be tricky to do though, if you don't have the required control yet. Yet an option is to not do anything, and maybe Darius won't be able to refrain himself from playing a harmony over that part in the final mix.  QUOTE (Nick6373 @ Dec 29 2014, 09:01 AM) Hey guys! First post ever just got membership! Here's my attempts (I couldn't decide which one I liked more so I'm post both of them): #1 https://soundcloud.com/nick-peacock-7/attempt-one-w-backing #1 No Backing Track: https://soundcloud.com/nick-peacock-7/attempt-one-no-backing #2 https://soundcloud.com/nick-peacock-7/attempt-2-w-backing #2 No Backing Track: https://soundcloud.com/nick-peacock-7/attempt-two-no-backing Welcome to GMC Nick! I agree with all Darius said. If you can get rid of the tuning/intonation problem it will immediately raise your takes to a new level - as that is the #1 problem. Take 2 had less tuning problems. As Darius said there are cool ideas in there, that can lead to a strong solo - and as soon as tuning problem is fixed you can start doing the polishing. If you are unsure how to deal with the tuning problem please let us know. QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Dec 29 2014, 02:17 PM) Here's mine:- https://soundcloud.com/neilwaller/krismas-full https://soundcloud.com/neilwaller/krismas-nbt I hope you like it. Very cool Jones, the double stops, interesting rhythmical ideas, and the über neat sound makes this a very fresh take. With some mixing, this will sound really good. Here are some places that caught my attention, which you could deal with now or have in mind for future recordings: * 0:21 sustain dies immediately. This is not super bad, but I still get the impression this was not what you intended (given how cool the sustained note at 00:17 sounds). By thinking about having super relaxed hands/arms you might be able to fix this. To tell you exactly what technical mistake is causing this, we probably need a video of you playing this. * 00:23 this vibrato is a bit too Kirk Hamm:ish for my taste. I would recommend a wider vibrato, try using more of your whole arm - or use a more circular type of vibrato motion. Alternatively just think "slow bend" instead of "vibrato". * 00:28. This note sounds out of pitch, not sure what could be causing it. If you can fix these and keep the rest of your playing intact, you have a 'winner' take! QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Dec 29 2014, 12:36 PM) Fortunately we are not scientists who argue about the earth to be square or round 'tis flat, i'm tellin' ya!! 
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Dec 29 2014, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Dec 29 2014, 03:03 PM) Very cool Jones, the double stops, interesting rhythmical ideas, and the über neat sound makes this a very fresh take. With some mixing, this will sound really good. Here are some places that caught my attention, which you could deal with now or have in mind for future recordings: * 0:21 sustain dies immediately. This is not super bad, but I still get the impression this was not what you intended (given how cool the sustained note at 00:17 sounds). By thinking about having super relaxed hands/arms you might be able to fix this. To tell you exactly what technical mistake is causing this, we probably need a video of you playing this. * 00:23 this vibrato is a bit too Kirk Hamm:ish for my taste. I would recommend a wider vibrato, try using more of your whole arm - or use a more circular type of vibrato motion. Alternatively just think "slow bend" instead of "vibrato". * 00:28. This note sounds out of pitch, not sure what could be causing it. If you can fix these and keep the rest of your playing intact, you have a 'winner' take! I'll go work on it now Kris!! I changed the second part very slightly. https://soundcloud.com/neilwaller/krismas-pt-2-nbt This post has been edited by Sensible Jones: Dec 29 2014, 04:48 PM -------------------- I'd rather have a full Bottle in front of me than a full Frontal Lobotomy!!
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Dec 29 2014, 07:04 PM
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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Dec 29 2014, 01:17 PM) Here's mine:- https://soundcloud.com/neilwaller/krismas-full https://soundcloud.com/neilwaller/krismas-nbt I hope you like it. What a nice Timmons/Mayer tone! Cool phrasing Neil. Unfortunately (I know I know...it's alwasy something... ) There is sort of "wrong direction" in tension build. I think I would leave the first half (truly love it) under one condition - it simply begs for delay in the background if those breaks have to stay there I would think about the second part because it does not inscrease the tension. It like a negative - You get more relax while the solo goes on and it's an opposite direction to what we need to make, to create proper tension build through the track.
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Dec 29 2014, 09:50 PM
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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Dec 29 2014, 07:04 PM) What a nice Timmons/Mayer tone! Cool phrasing Neil. Unfortunately (I know I know...it's alwasy something... ) There is sort of "wrong direction" in tension build. I think I would leave the first half (truly love it) under one condition - it simply begs for delay in the background if those breaks have to stay there I would think about the second part because it does not inscrease the tension. It like a negative - You get more relax while the solo goes on and it's an opposite direction to what we need to make, to create proper tension build through the track.Thanks for the input Darius! Here's it with the 2nd part re-done a bit. https://soundcloud.com/neilwaller/krismas-final https://soundcloud.com/neilwaller/krismas-final-nbt I didn't want to put too much delay/reverb on it as I thought this gave you guys problems in the final mix?
-------------------- I'd rather have a full Bottle in front of me than a full Frontal Lobotomy!!
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Dec 29 2014, 10:10 PM
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Ok take 6. I've changed the bit before the ending then I've over layered the ending. Hope this is what you meant.
[attachment=40354:Crimbo_c...g_take_6.wav] [attachment=40355:Crimbo_c...g_take_6.wav] Cheers QUOTE (Nick6373 @ Dec 29 2014, 10:01 PM) Thanks for the advice guys! I'll work on getting some more concrete ideas into my solo. The one problem I don't really know how to deal with is my intonation issue. Any advice? Thanks! Take it to a tech mate. If you're not confident don't mess. If it's a fixed bridge it's not too hard but a floating trem can take a long time. There are many pages about intonation adjustment on the internet, I do my own fixed bridges but don't have the patience for a floating trem. Again, if you aren't confident don't try it. Get a full setup from a tech. Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Dec 29 2014, 10:30 PM
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Thanks Phil, I'll do that. I like your solo by the way.
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Dec 30 2014, 11:16 AM
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QUOTE (Nick6373 @ Dec 29 2014, 10:30 PM) Thanks Phil, I'll do that. I like your solo by the way. Thanks Nick, I like yours too, have to agree with Darius though, it does sound a little unstructured but hey, who am I to say, I'm merely a beginner that's had guitars for years. I can't comment on the intonation as my ear isn't that good yet but as you know I have commented on how to go about it. Get a mentor mate, I'm with Cosmin, all the guys on here are good. Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Dec 30 2014, 02:25 PM
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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Dec 29 2014, 08:50 PM) Thanks for the input Darius! Here's it with the 2nd part re-done a bit. https://soundcloud.com/neilwaller/krismas-final https://soundcloud.com/neilwaller/krismas-final-nbt I didn't want to put too much delay/reverb on it as I thought this gave you guys problems in the final mix? Sure man! I understand! - yes You can make a delay on Your take preview and make the opposite in the files You send me. You completely right - I will add You a delay in the final mix and it would be matched to the track and the mix You can give it here to simply make us more pleasure while listening to a preview Around 0:22 there is a gap that somehow feels like You might find a better solution but decide on your own QUOTE (Nick6373 @ Dec 29 2014, 09:01 PM) Thanks for the advice guys! I'll work on getting some more concrete ideas into my solo. The one problem I don't really know how to deal with is my intonation issue. Any advice? Thanks! Thanx for response Before going into details simply check some basics:1. Old strings do not keep proper intonation. If Yours are older than 3-4 weeks it might be the reason of issue 2. Play a few notes on the fretboard and check on the tuner - maybe Your open strings are a bit off comparing to fretted notes |
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Dec 30 2014, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Dec 29 2014, 09:50 PM) Thanks for the input Darius! Here's it with the 2nd part re-done a bit. https://soundcloud.com/neilwaller/krismas-final https://soundcloud.com/neilwaller/krismas-final-nbt I didn't want to put too much delay/reverb on it as I thought this gave you guys problems in the final mix? Cool, I think you have worked your way around all the things I commented on. When looking at your take as a whole, I preferred your first one as it had a lot of cool details. For example 0:11 in your first take - don't know what you did there but it sounds amazing! However that one had some very obvious mistakes and this one doesn't. Also you guitar is a bit too loud and this drags down the impression of your take, so we can expect a better sounding take in Darius' final mix. I think it's completely up to you how you want to proceed. I work just the same, my first takes are usually the best - after that it goes downhill. So I would probably try to save your first take by throwing in some dubs (extra guitar takes) to try and mask the mistakes. |
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Dec 31 2014, 05:54 AM
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Hey guys!
So I think this is going to be my final take: https://soundcloud.com/stortzmusic/xmas-collab-final If it seems legit - I'll work on the video. I changed a few things and tried adding some new concepts - a trill and a bit of a swing feel at the end. |
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