Will Music Lose Its Soul? |
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Sep 5 2017, 04:10 PM
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There's a quote attributed to Freddie Mercury: "We are in a golden age of music. There will be a time when technology becomes so advanced that we'll rely on it to make music rather than raw talent...and music will lose its soul." I honestly don't agree, or at least don't think that technology is guilty on this... Some proofs: What do you think? Will Music Lose Its Soul? -------------------- My lessons
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Sep 5 2017, 07:57 PM
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I don't think ALL music will lose its soul. technology will allow people without much skill/knowledge to create music but it will be lifeless I think. People with soul, will be able to use modern technology to enhance their soul/feelings and get things out of their mind that they couldn't before.
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Sep 6 2017, 02:47 PM
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QUOTE (Roadside @ Sep 5 2017, 02:57 PM)  I would not agree either, but it will rather enlargen its access to larger group of people as media and technology will help those people produce advanced music, that they would not be able to produce on an instrument. So I think it might even enlargen our musical society. But another statement and that one is surely true is that: "Music becomes more simple by time." At least for last 80 decades it is kind of true. It developed the first 3-4 decades and is now experiencing a degressive trend. Dont you think? That's a good point. I also think that technology has a positive side that it more powerfull than the negative if it's used wisely. On the other hand, I also think that most of the music has become simplier, but I believe that there is a lot of underground music that keeps on evolving, and that there are artist that are as advanced as they were in the first 3/4 decades. However, it's not as visible now as it was in the past, because there is a lot of more "superfitial", mainstream or simple music hiding it. Do you agree? QUOTE (Phil66 @ Sep 5 2017, 03:57 PM) I don't think ALL music will lose its soul. technology will allow people without much skill/knowledge to create music but it will be lifeless I think. People with soul, will be able to use modern technology to enhance their soul/feelings and get things out of their mind that they couldn't before. Nice thoughts. I think the same Phil. -------------------- My lessons
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Sep 10 2017, 03:38 PM
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A little perspective ...
They been saying the same thing since the birth of recording ... when it was one mic and all done live. In my lifetime I've heard ... "disco is killing music", "punk is killing music", "midi is killing music", "digital recording is killing music", "digital instruments are killing music", "home taping is killing music", "home recording is killing music", "napster/pirating is killing music", "the internet is killing music", "streaming is killing music", blah blah blah. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Sep 10 2017, 03:59 PM
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Hmm, kind of agree to both of you.
Music styles seem to be reoccuring like a Sinus curve. Hopefully there will soon be a decade that we are all waiting for 
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Sep 10 2017, 05:29 PM
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It already has, or at least mislaid it.
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Sep 10 2017, 07:33 PM
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What's 'killing' or mislaying music is the fact that hardly any artists of consequence - i.e., someone who reaches a huge swath of the populous - has anything of consequence to say about anything. It's all about the fuckin' money or youtube likes and instagram likes or dissing each other or whatever. It's about popularity and not about the art. And don't regale me with some indie band or singer that reaches like 150 people. Sorry, but they don't count.
In the 60s, Rock and Roll (in caps on purpose) helped to change the world and stop a war. And that's no lie! Those artists reached multiple millions via very few mediums. Radio, TV, record albums and live concerts. And probably most importantly - word of mouth. Listening to music was a collective thing. You did it, as an activity, with people. And money was secondary. It was all about the art and a little bit about rebellion (against the establishment - whatever that may have been perceived as at the time - ?). If anything is killing music - it ain't machines. It's probably more the so-called artists and their fans. Music exists. It's just physics. Forget about your fucking Youtube hits and just play. This post has been edited by klasaine: Sep 10 2017, 07:33 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Sep 11 2017, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Sep 10 2017, 08:04 PM) Surely you'd agree that youtube is a crucial element in gaining access to an audience for any musician that doesn't have a record label? Sure, there are wads of music acts / solo acts that are purely in it for the like/stats etc. But without youtube, wads of cool folks like Rick Graham for example, may have never become known outside the pub circuit. I'm not talking about the delivery method. Yes, today youtube is probably the best way to get across. The perceived lack of soul or heart or however you label it stems from the fact that what's popular now - popular now as in reaching the most people on all mediums - is totally banal. The songs, the artists they're forgotten in 3 months. The really huge ones would never dream of 'rocking the boat' - they like the money too much. There has always been a ton of lower tier independents that appeal to a niche, sometimes a pretty big niche. Before youtube it was 'college radio' and super small indie labels. They were everywhere. That music and those musicians will always exist. My point is that overall, the overall culture now is not even into music that much. And in my opinion it's because the major acts - in any and all genres - actually are fucking soulless. Because they're only about the money. And the people know that. And if the big stars are only in it for the money (and the likes and the shares and the whatever ... ) then that's what we wanna do and be into too. Machines and tech don't de-soul music. People do. Both the artists and the alleged fans. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Sep 11 2017, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Sep 11 2017, 04:49 PM) My point is that overall, the overall culture now is not even into music that much. And in my opinion it's because the major acts - in any and all genres - actually are fucking soulless. Because they're only about the money. And the people know that. And if the big stars are only in it for the money (and the likes and the shares and the whatever ... ) then that's what we wanna do and be into too. Machines and tech don't de-soul music. People do. Both the artists and the alleged fans. Yup, that does indeed seem to be the case.  It reminds me a little of this old 2010 interview clip from Steven Wilson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61HUlcvDIC4 --------------------  You say 'minor pentatonic ' like it's a bad thing |
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Sep 12 2017, 01:47 AM
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Now your speaking my language
 I agree. The major acts today just simply lack a bit of honesty and soul IMHO. When I listen to the top 10 chart in a given week just to see what's 'happening" right then, I'm routinely struck by how DEAD and LIFELESS the music seems. I do realize, as you must, that we are no longer the target demo for the big acts. The target demographic is sadly lacking a pinch of soul themselves as the "Kardashianation" of culture becomes more and more pervasive. Instead of the music leading the way for a given scene, the scene is created from nothing and the music just sorta follows it along it seems. Perhaps if we were both tween girls, we would read this thread and think "eeew! Grumpy Old Men!" I love the (enter act of the week here) "and I carved every band members name in to my body and posted it on instagram!!" or something like that. The culture truly has changed. It's pandering to a much younger demographic and is much more flighty in general imho. I fear this is partially a result of the record label feeling the burn of simply going away. It's no secret that the "Music Biz" has been shrinking 10-20 percent annually for years now. What remains is truly vapid imho. It's starting to closely remind me of the pop scene in Japan where anyone with name/face recognition can be given a song and hit number 1 on the charts for a week or two. We have fallen victim to this same sort of thing in terms of our own country and our current president. His fame and his "Brand" were a big part of his getting elected. Fame for fames sake seems to carry far more weight than it should and lead to very poor examples of music and culture. I think we are in agreement on the main themes here, but you tell me? QUOTE (klasaine @ Sep 11 2017, 11:49 AM) I'm not talking about the delivery method. Yes, today youtube is probably the best way to get across. The perceived lack of soul or heart or however you label it stems from the fact that what's popular now - popular now as in reaching the most people on all mediums - is totally banal. The songs, the artists they're forgotten in 3 months. The really huge ones would never dream of 'rocking the boat' - they like the money too much. There has always been a ton of lower tier independents that appeal to a niche, sometimes a pretty big niche. Before youtube it was 'college radio' and super small indie labels. They were everywhere. That music and those musicians will always exist. My point is that overall, the overall culture now is not even into music that much. And in my opinion it's because the major acts - in any and all genres - actually are fucking soulless. Because they're only about the money. And the people know that. And if the big stars are only in it for the money (and the likes and the shares and the whatever ... ) then that's what we wanna do and be into too. Machines and tech don't de-soul music. People do. Both the artists and the alleged fans. QUOTE (klasaine @ Sep 11 2017, 11:49 AM) I'm not talking about the delivery method. Yes, today youtube is probably the best way to get across. The perceived lack of soul or heart or however you label it stems from the fact that what's popular now - popular now as in reaching the most people on all mediums - is totally banal. The songs, the artists they're forgotten in 3 months. The really huge ones would never dream of 'rocking the boat' - they like the money too much. There has always been a ton of lower tier independents that appeal to a niche, sometimes a pretty big niche. Before youtube it was 'college radio' and super small indie labels. They were everywhere. That music and those musicians will always exist. My point is that overall, the overall culture now is not even into music that much. And in my opinion it's because the major acts - in any and all genres - actually are fucking soulless. Because they're only about the money. And the people know that. And if the big stars are only in it for the money (and the likes and the shares and the whatever ... ) then that's what we wanna do and be into too. Machines and tech don't de-soul music. People do. Both the artists and the alleged fans. Yup. He nailed it It's completely fake and manufactured in large part. Thus the lifeless, soulless quality that seems so pervasive in popular music. I also agree with him that it's the industry trying to regain some control over the music itself and just being willing to admit that it's fake and having people really not care, just buying it anyway. The music industry is shrinking at pace, in a few decades, it just won't exist as it has for the past several decades imho. It will keep getting squeezed and pushed into this corner of perpetuating falseshood and calling it music. The only saving grace is that people with real talent have more ability to share their music than ever before. Granted, they may never make a living from it, but that too lends itself to a kind of musical purity. At that point, music is done for the love of music, not for money, as there isn't much to be made at that level. Sure there are exceptions to every rule or we wouldn't have rules. But by and large, the middle/bottom tier of artists (in terms of selling power) have to scrape together every revenue stream they can find and typically still do some sort of "straight" job. For example AMON AMARTH didn't go "Pro" until their last album. Until that point, they all went home after touring and got jobs paining houses or delivering pizzas. But they still always sounded like Amon Amarth. Finally, after decades of work, they were able to quit their crap jobs and go pro so it does happen. Ola Englund is another good example, he was a comptroller for years while he built his following. Then got invited to joint major acts and go on tour all over the world. Sadly, these are the exceptions. But they do happen Todd QUOTE (bleez @ Sep 11 2017, 12:40 PM) Yup, that does indeed seem to be the case.
It reminds me a little of this old 2010 interview clip from Steven Wilson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61HUlcvDIC4 This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: Sep 12 2017, 01:48 AM |
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Sep 12 2017, 02:13 AM
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I don't even think that teenage girls or even most alleged 'music fans' are really into the music per se. They're into taking pictures of themselves hanging out at an event (that they paid WAY too much money for) with other folks taking pictures of themselves and then looking at those pictures on line as they are shared and liked ad infinitum. And it's not just kids. It's most everybody. Documenting yourself having "the experience" is the prime motivator.
I blame the artists for this primarily. They're not writing songs and singing about anything important ... and there's plenty important stuff to sing and write about. Say something. Have a fucking opinion and write a song about it already. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Sep 14 2017, 08:37 PM
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Somehow every change is a "natural" change, isn't it? Still a change made by people living a certain culture on this planet!
I assume some day sun will circle 'round us. |
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