Firefox Is Dead And It's Not Good For The Web |
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Jul 2 2022, 07:45 AM
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Had a bad crash years ago by chrome and still avoiding it. Never tried brave but happy with opera.
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Jul 4 2022, 04:16 AM
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I hate to break it to ya, but BRAVE is a chromium based browser. So yeah, you're basically using a rebadged Chrome and have been for two years.
 Chromium is the code base for the chrome browser and brave and several others. Welcome to the club https://www.chromium.org/chromium-projects/ QUOTE (AK Rich @ Jul 1 2022, 10:18 PM)  Yeah FF has been dying for some time now and I'm going nowhere near Chrome, no thanks. Brave has worked well for me for a couple of years or so now. It's pretty much replaced FF from what I can tell. I hate to break it to you also but you are using a chromium based browser. Chromium is the code base for Chrome, Brave, Opera and several others. So yeah, your using a chrome browser with a different skin, based on the chromium code base. https://www.chromium.org/chromium-projects/ QUOTE (Mertay @ Jul 2 2022, 02:45 AM) Had a bad crash years ago by chrome and still avoiding it. Never tried brave but happy with opera.
This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: Jul 4 2022, 04:16 AM |
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Jul 4 2022, 06:47 AM
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I don't think FF is 'dead' or going anywhere.
It's like when people proclaim that "Netflix is dead" because they didn't make as big of a profit as they did last year or they lost maybe 1% of their market share. Mozilla is a non-profit. All the money they make goes into it's operating costs which of course includes salaries but the average salary for an exec at Mozilla is about 200K. Not a lot, relatively speaking. It may be complete BS but this is from the Mozilla help desk as of April of this year. They also just released version 101.0.1 I think yesterday ...  -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Jul 4 2022, 07:47 AM
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I know they stopped supporting it on the Amazon Fire Tv which is a shame as it worked better than the other options.
I used the version before the one with the banner that notifies about not supporting it anymore to still use it. -------------------- My SoundCloud
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Jul 7 2022, 12:08 AM
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Sadly, the numbers don't lie. Firefox is in fact dying. It's down to about 1 percent of browsers being used. Chromium based browsers such as the one RICH and most other folks use, has taken over. It's all over but the shouting.
https://www.tomsguide.com/news/firefox-just...-in-three-years QUOTE (klasaine @ Jul 4 2022, 01:47 AM) I don't think FF is 'dead' or going anywhere. It's like when people proclaim that "Netflix is dead" because they didn't make as big of a profit as they did last year or they lost maybe 1% of their market share. Mozilla is a non-profit. All the money they make goes into it's operating costs which of course includes salaries but the average salary for an exec at Mozilla is about 200K. Not a lot, relatively speaking. It may be complete BS but this is from the Mozilla help desk as of April of this year. They also just released version 101.0.1 I think yesterday ... thats a bit over the top in all honesty. Google does not install malware. Not sure where you heard that? maybe you could share a link? Brave does have a bit better privacy to be sure. But it's really the same engine running things. QUOTE (AK Rich @ Jul 4 2022, 11:55 AM) The difference is that Brave doesn't contain Google's malware/spyware. Chrome is basically a trojan horse for Google. Brave is more privacy oriented, uses less resources and is faster than Chrome. So just because they are based on the same code, that doesn't make them the same browser. Firefox was my browser of choice for a long time. I've recently noticed it not rendering streaming video as well. Also, it seems to be requesting more hardware resources. Finally, I made the switch to chrome mostly for ease of use as it' synchs automatically with the mobile version and provides a seamless experience with all of my google apps whether on deskop or mobile. QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Jul 4 2022, 02:47 AM) I know they stopped supporting it on the Amazon Fire Tv which is a shame as it worked better than the other options. I used the version before the one with the banner that notifies about not supporting it anymore to still use it. |
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Jul 7 2022, 04:25 PM
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I don't believe those stats are correct. Everything I can find shows FF to be at either 3.26 of market share or as high as 7.29% ...
https://kinsta.com/browser-market-share/ https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share As a 501c3 (non profit) it doesn't need huge market share. I'm not switching. It's a great browser. This post has been edited by klasaine: Jul 7 2022, 04:30 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Jul 7 2022, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jul 6 2022, 02:08 PM) thats a bit over the top in all honesty. Google does not install malware. Not sure where you heard that? maybe you could share a link? Brave does have a bit better privacy to be sure. But it's really the same engine running things. Yeah, let me rephrase that. Google Chrome IS malware/spyware, a trojan horse according to some comparison articles I've found. "Chrome is essentially a trojan horse that Google planted into the computers of billions of users – it sucks up as much information as possible to send it over to Google servers which are then processed by AI algorithms to serve you surgically precise ads and empty your pockets on a whim." https://captainaltcoin.com/brave-vs-chrome/ "One good feature of Brave is that it is built on Chromium, which is also the foundation of Chrome. Except that Brave does not contain all of Google’s malware. As a result, it looks and feels very similar to Chrome." https://rigorousthemes.com/blog/brave-vs-ch...hich-is-better/ "With Brave, you’d be swiftly moving away with this headache. Yes, Brave has a Password manager of its own, but Brave isn’t a kind of spyware software as Google Chrome is. So, if you wish to be in control of your password and credentials and let go of the Chrome browser." https://wethegeek.com/chrome-vs-brave-browser/ And then there is this article. The article and some comparisons are a few years old but still relevant in many ways. "This was made possible by the Web’s biggest snoop of all: Google. Seen from the inside, its Chrome browser looks a lot like surveillance software." "Lately I’ve been investigating the secret life of my data, running experiments to see what technology really gets up to under the cover of privacy policies that nobody reads. It turns out, having the world’s biggest advertising company make the most popular Web browser was about as smart as letting kids run a candy shop." https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2.../?noredirect=on There has also been lots of malware found in Chrome extentions at the Chrome Store over the years that somehow made it through screening. Maybe it's because it's a big target being the #1 browser and all, or maybe Google is somehow complicit in some way. Would you be surprised? I wouldn't. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-alphabet...s-idUSKBN23P0JO Like you and Ken, I used Firefox for years until they started making some changes that I didn't agree with and started having some isssues that I won't go into. I stumbled across Brave and tried it for a while before eventually getting rid of Firefox altogether. You could think of Brave as the new and improved Firefox with a Chrome engine. And again, just because Chrome and Brave share the same engine, that doesn't make them the same browser and no, Brave is not simply a rebadged version of Chrome. This post has been edited by AK Rich: Jul 8 2022, 12:29 AM |
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Jul 7 2022, 11:37 PM
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mobile is about 1 percent. Desktop is under 4 as of recent data. Heres an article from ARS Technical
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/02/is-...-ok/?comments=1 also two rounds of layoffs  It's been dying for a while and the lack of mobile support early on really didn't help it. Developers have abandoned it, which is one of the biggest issues. Everyone is using chromiums code base instead I finally had to switch. I noticed performance issues. Chrome just way faster for me. I love firefox. Enjoy while it lasts.QUOTE (klasaine @ Jul 7 2022, 11:25 AM) I don't believe those stats are correct. Everything I can find shows FF to be at either 3.26 of market share or as high as 7.29% ... https://kinsta.com/browser-market-share/ https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share As a 501c3 (non profit) it doesn't need huge market share. I'm not switching. It's a great browser. I think you are confused a bit on this, chrome and firefox DO NO use the same engine. if they did, firefox would be a chromium based browser which it is not. It's Mozilla based. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/faq/ Brave is not without it's own issues as well of course. https://www.zdnet.com/article/brave-browser...d-and-the-ugly/ Maybe you mean to say BRAVE and Chromium using the same engine? Brave does have a bit better privacy to be sure. Sadly, it lacks the feature set of chrome which allows a seamless experience across all devices with one login. I've got my security settings quite high in chrome so it will have to do. I use a ton of google services like gmail, maps, docs, drive, etc. Having all of it synch and work is very handy. As long as one knows how to set ones settings and is careful with extensions, it's workable.QUOTE (AK Rich @ Jul 7 2022, 02:19 PM) Yeah, let me rephrase that. Google Chrome IS malware/spyware, a trojan horse according to some comparison articles I've
Like you and Ken, I used Firefox for years until they started making some changes that I didn't agree with and started having some isssues that I won't go into. I stumbled across Brave and tried it for a while before eventually getting rid of Firefox altogether. You could think of Chrome as the new and improved Firefox with a Chrome engine. And again, just because Chrome and Firefox share the same engine, that doesn't make them the same browser and no, Brave is not simply a rebadged version of Chrome. This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: Jul 8 2022, 12:15 AM |
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Jul 8 2022, 12:33 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jul 7 2022, 01:37 PM) mobile is about 1 percent. Desktop is under 4 as of recent data. Heres an article from ARS Technical https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/02/is-...-ok/?comments=1 also two rounds of layoffs It's been dying for a while and the lack of mobile support early on really didn't help it. Developers have abandoned it, which is one of the biggest issues. Everyone is using chromiums code base instead I finally had to switch. I noticed performance issues. Chrome just way faster for me. I love firefox. Enjoy while it lasts.I think you are confused a bit on this, chrome and firefox DO NO use the same engine. if they did, firefox would be a chromium based browser which it is not. It's Mozilla based. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/faq/ Brave is not without it's own issues as well of course. https://www.zdnet.com/article/brave-browser...d-and-the-ugly/ Maybe you mean to say BRAVE and Chromium using the same engine? Brave does have a bit better privacy to be sure. Sadly, it lacks the feature set of chrome which allows a seamless experience across all devices with one login. I've got my security settings quite high in chrome so it will have to do. I use a ton of google services like gmail, maps, docs, drive, etc. Having all of it synch and work is very handy. As long as one knows how to set ones settings and is careful with extensions, it's workable.Not confused at all. I just misspoke. I was just trying to repeat what I had said in the earlier post. It's fixed now. Good catch. Nothing to say about the malware/spyware claims now? Oh, and you can sync with Brave now too. Just wanted to add that I read the article you linked to and the info the article linked to as well and I gotta say, those issues seem a bit trivial when compared to the issues folks are having with Chrome and user privacy. Especially the homepage ad issue that you never have to see with one simple adjustment in the settings. There's going to be issues with any browser we choose I suppose, but for me, privacy is what concerns me most and has been ever since I started using a computer. Maybe you don't mind Google always looking over your shoulder and that's fine. But some of us don't feel that way. To each his own. This post has been edited by AK Rich: Jul 8 2022, 02:05 AM |
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Jul 8 2022, 04:58 AM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jul 7 2022, 06:17 PM) No worries. thanks for the tips on synch in brave! it's a key feature for me. No sweat. 👍 |
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