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Nov 19 2021, 06:15 AM
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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 18 2021, 10:40 PM)  Hey Phil! Cool idea with going for the harmony! I didn't write the chords (above the tab) in the melody motif that I send, and maybe that would have helped make it all pop more - you might notice some "off" notes when you go to work on it on your guitar against the backing... ...however it did give me a reason to write this little information (to everyone) that I think you can use to really hit home those harmonies: -------------------- HARMONIES (EDIT: I will record a video with examples soon, but my voice is not great cause of sickness at the moment) I want to show a few little neat tricks, which are always gonna work quite well, when creating harmonies - for me it is my very first step when creating "harmonies": Trick 1: When creating a harmony look at the scale we're in - in this case it's D major. A lot of the time simply playing the note that is a 3rd, 5th or 6th above the melody will be a starting point, but it will not always sound great. However, you can find the 3rd by going from the note in the melody, skipping the next note and playing the following. For instance here we play an A note on the first beat and we consider this as the "root" when creating a harmony for it, even if it isn't the root of the underlying chord or scale. - For the 3rd above we can count: A (1st) - skip the B (2nd) - C# (3rd)! - The same can be done for 5th and 6th: A (1st) - skip B (2nd), C# (3rd), D (4th) - E (5th), F# (6th) These notes (C#, E and F#) can of course be played below the melody line too. This gives a very "safe" starting point, that will be in the key of D major, but some of the notes might still sound a bit "iffy" when played with the chords and original melody. Sometimes choosing a different note of those three (3rd, 5th or 6th from the note in the melody) can be a quick fix to that, but we can also look at "trick 2" below for another trick: Trick 2: Let's focus on the chords below the melody before we create the harmony and take advantage of our knowledge here: The first chord is a D major chord, which consists of the notes D, F# and A, as I'm sure you are aware. The first note of the melody line is an A note, so maybe we want to try a note that is in the chord, but isn't the A note - we're left with two choices then: F# and D. Next note up in the melody is a D - leaving us with a choice of F# and A notes. This approach will be almost fail-safe and guaranteed to work, as it plays on the notes from the underlying chords in the backing track. You might hit a bit of a roadblock when you notice that the melody line in the first bar has an E note. Not to worry though! We can combine trick 1 and 2 if we want some spice, but we can also just stay within a note from the underlying chord: This gives the option to... - Try finding a note that is a 3rd, 5th or 6th above that E note (but still in the scale of D major) for that extra spice. - Still play a note within the chord of D major (D, F# and A) to be relatively safe Summary: I'd think of the whole process almost as preparing a meal - maybe a sandwich. The underlying chords are the very basic ingredient, the bread or baguette. The melody line is the main part of the sandwich: the ham and cheese and mayonnaise, but maybe you want some safe extra bits too that go in safe harmony with the rest such as cucumber, salad and tomatoes. To spice it up just a bit you could add some more "spicy choices", such as jalapños and some spices or seasoning. You might not want your entire sandwich to taste of jalapeños though, so maybe you only add a few of those. Thanks Ben, As you've probably noticed, I moved everything across two strings towards the bass taking infinity account that pesky B string being "wrong" on the guitar  Had I not had the GP file I would have just played something that came into my head (as I always do) without regard for theory but using the scale generator to see what's "allowed", Gab often said it was "interesting now choice" maybe that was a euphemism for something else I'll try a theoretical route as you suggest and also a winging it (my go to) approach but just for the record (no pun intended) in theoretical terms what am I doing there? PS: You said "you might notice some "off" notes when you go to work on it on your guitar against the backing", I rarely notice things like this, my ear isn't that good still, I guess that's why I wing it and if anyone points my bad notes out, I just say it's because of my avant garde jazz roots   I guess my kinda musical spice is akin to vindaloo sauce on apple pie  Cheers for the advice buddy Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE  “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Nov 19 2021, 08:05 AM
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Nice Ben. Im in. Ill hope i can open the gp files because i havent used it for a Long time.
Grtz tim |
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Nov 19 2021, 09:06 AM
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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 19 2021, 05:44 AM) Don't worry too much about the theoretical side of coming up with a harmony part if it becomes troublesome  At that point I'd at least just suggesting staying in the key of D major.I think for the most part you harmonized it with a mix of minor 7th notes, i.e. the B note below the first A (that distance is a minor 7th) and some 6ths, however some of the notes were also not in the D major scale, but don't worry too much about it. I think I could have sent you a file with the chord names on top of each bar, and that might have made it a lot easier too! And if you use the scale generator, which I think is a great choice, make sure it's set to "D major". I noticed a D# and G# that aren't in the key of D major. But I think it's a great start for a learning process. Makes me happy to see!  If you go for "winging it", which is totally cool too, I'd suggest just staying in the key of the D major scale. It wasn't all that bad though, mate, but I'd like to aim for what I know you can do! I still remember one of your jams on Soundcloud that sounded really great and emotional! Keep rocking, I appreciate the participation!  Thanks buddy, To my ears it sounded sweet, to trained and more knowledgeable ears it may sound "wrong". Nothing actually clashed in a bad way to me but then I like mint sauce on beef  Cheers buddy, back to the drawing board. -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Nov 19 2021, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 19 2021, 09:37 AM) No stress, there is plenty of time. I'd suggest at least staying with D major/B minor when harmonizing here. That's gonna give the best result. I hope it didn't come across as harsh - it's just that I'd like to include as much from everybody as I possible can, while also sharing some thoughts and tips along the way It didn't come across as harsh buddy but don't worry about that anyway, I've got broad shoulders and a slippery back, I'm no snowflake buddy be harsh if you want. just say "Phil, I've never heard such crap, do it again
-------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Nov 20 2021, 08:42 AM
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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Nov 20 2021, 02:25 AM) You know that's not my style either - I try to be motivating though I know buddy, I was just trying to emphasise by way of humour, that you don't need to tread on eggshells around me, it's all good
-------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Nov 22 2021, 06:33 PM
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Hi
Here 2 takes. I have some difficulty to keep sustain on some notes. I continue my work. It's very interesting. What do you think about it ? |
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Nov 22 2021, 09:58 PM
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For now, I've just gone for a background kind of piece, more a mood/scene setting thing than a solo. I'm still thinking about the chorus motif.
Very rough, it's just a sketch completely improvised just to get into it a bit. As said, it's more of a mood/scene setter than anything else. Cheers -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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