Timing: How To Improve It ?, Let's discuss different ideas |
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Jul 7 2014, 09:50 AM
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I play the radio or a CD in the car. While I'm grooving to it I turn it off or down so I cant hear it. Continue to sing along or play along or just keep time. Then turn the volume back up and see if I'm in the right place.
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Jul 8 2014, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Jul 8 2014, 07:26 AM)  active listening if I am not mistaken and I do it all the time, to the annoyment of the surrounding people. I tend to tap my foot to the ground or tap my nails against something which is at hand. I also sing along and try to create additional voices, as in backing melodies  I will stop (sometimes only for a few seconds) in the middle of a conversation when I hear a song in the background that I like. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Jul 9 2014, 08:50 PM
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QUOTE (Ben Higgins @ Jul 9 2014, 10:44 AM) Yep. Guilty as charged ! Is it just a musician thing ? I would say it's music 'fan' thing. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Jul 10 2014, 03:24 PM
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It doesn't mater how much technical facility you possess, playing within an ensemble *in time* is a whole nother world from playing by yourself or even with backing tracks.
Tracks are a VERY controlled situation. This post has been edited by klasaine: Jul 10 2014, 03:25 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Jul 10 2014, 03:34 PM
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Very cool topic and especially interesting and it is something bass players tend to analyse quite a bit.
I'd like to reflect on few things and share some things I realised myself when practicing. Phrasing : If we would try to put this on paper (even though the essence of it can't fit that format), the phrasing is roughly a combination of : note choice (melody) + note values (timing) + expression (dynamics, feel, techniques used, effects etc). Now what happens usually, when we start playing our first improvised solos is that we tend to focus on melody (note choice) primarily. That is perfectly fine as finding the right notes is quite a task on its own. But what I have noticed a lot of beginner/intermediate guitarists do is they tend to be over focused on the notes that they simply forget about the other ingredients : note values/rhythm/timing and expression. In this case, we would often hear a repetitive rhythmic motive played all over the solo or a "flat" sounding solo which utilizes only one or two different note values (for example all 8th notes etc). I'll use the term rhythmic phrasing for this. Experiment : - Try playing any notes on the guitar neck in straight quarter or 8th notes for example, you should not worry about any scales. In fact, if you know scales, try to play only the "wrong notes" on purpose. How it sounds? - Now try to do the exact same thing using the "wrong notes" but playing in a nice groove/rhythm that fits the backing track and compliments it. This time the focus in on a groovy and interesting rhythm with varying note values. The chances are - you got a pretty cool sounding solo right there! Even if you used the "wrong notes". Why this happens? Because the rhythm (rhythm phrasing!) is actually more important than the actual notes you choose to play. Listener reacts well on "rhythmic" playing and your performance is automatically considered to be part of the song you are playing if its grooves with the other instruments. Bass players exploit this all the time - heck we have no ideas what scales/notes we are playing half the time, as long as it grooves How to improve your phrasing As you have probably focused too much on the actual notes you play, try focusing on the rhythmic part exclusively. Use a short lick that you know how to play well, any one can do and try to record versions of it varying rhythm. For example split a quarter note to two 8th notes. Try to combine note values and see which variations you can get. At first it will be hard to get rid of the original lick timing but this experimentation will give you so many more possibilities (=new licks). ******** Actually, we could use this thread for this experimentation - anyone willing to give it a go, it will be interesting to see what we can get together? Please share the following concentrating on rhythmic phrasing : 1. Starting lick 2. Variation 1 of the original lick 2. Variation 2 of the original lick Variations should mostly be rhythmic. ----- I'll give it a first try : 1. Original lick : 
Original_lick.mp3 ( 358.37K )
Number of downloads: 492. Variation 1 :
Variation_1.mp3 ( 377.14K )
Number of downloads: 473. Variation 2 :
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Jul 12 2014, 05:16 PM
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Hey guys
here's my entry for today And here's the video with the sax theme that inspired me with this: |
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Jul 12 2014, 05:32 PM
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Here's a 'twist' on playing with a backing track ...
Make a track without drums (only bass and keys and maybe a melody). 'You' provide the groove. Even simpler - when you're working on an 1/8 or 1/16 note lick or line, set your metronome for half notes or whole notes (instead of quarters). This post has been edited by klasaine: Jul 12 2014, 05:32 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Jul 13 2014, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Jul 12 2014, 05:16 PM) That's a great melody ! |
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