A Question For The Serbian Members And Instructors, something about a new law for music, is this true? |
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Jul 1 2009, 12:46 AM
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Pedja let me ask you this: You speak of mainstream folk music with a great critique which I can understand why I have no problem with your attitude at all. But what about rock music? Are you into rock music? Cause most rock hits also have couple of chords and very simple rhtyhmic patterns. What do you think for example of rock or pop music or Serbia? It is simplified, but I haven't seen any argument that doesn't make it any different of the folk music, based solely on your music theory-driven standpoint of view.
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Jul 1 2009, 12:50 AM
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Here are some examples
 Ultra famous folk song : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mYzPQuU2sI...feature=related live version of the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmBMYm_JXmQ Ultra famous rock song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duqxlFZ2kd0 -------------------- For GMC support please email support (at) guitarmasterclass.net
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Jul 1 2009, 12:56 AM
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QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Jul 1 2009, 01:34 AM)  Hmm that may be as well isolated case Did it happen to you on every jazz concert you saw in Serbia? On concerts I attended (jazz and similar genres) audience was pleased and was clapping and shouting after solos and everything.I mean people that like jazz bought the tickets and had fun and respect for the gig...edit: My remark on dancing was mainly on the point - you can't dance to a crazy syncopated groove and solo. You can but not many people can That reminded me of Chad Smith at modern drummer festival. Every drummer was doing some crazy sticking and drums solos, all over the place, really fast and impressive but not groovy. And what he did, instead of playing such solo he just played one simple funky straightforward beat for the whole 5 minutes and crowd loved it! After he explained his stand on importance of groove etc. Bogdan, Branford Marsalis is something in Jazz music. I don't care about other examples. I went to Pat Metheny in Belgrade and it was contrasting to other performances I saw him in USA. Same thing man. When I used to play with my band I always talk to my friends who come to gigs and tell them about that stuff. I would burn them live recordings or videos of performances so they can somehow try to understand difference between Classical music performance and Jazz or any other contemporary music performance. This is one of the things audience lacks and I mentioned others in previous posts. Regarding dancing on crazy grooves Lets face it, drummer was not soloing, Vasil was doing it and after him Samardzic did it. Drums were still playing SIMPLE groove that you can tap your foot to and dance normally. The problem is people go crazy when they hear 123 12 12 or 12 12 123 at fast tempo. They just can't get out of that. 4/4 feels like a virus to them, especially if you add anticipations to the beat in keyboards, bass or drums QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jul 1 2009, 01:46 AM) Pedja let me ask you this: You speak of mainstream folk music with a great critique which I can understand why I have no problem with your attitude at all. But what about rock music? Are you into rock music? Cause most rock hits also have couple of chords and very simple rhtyhmic patterns. What do you think for example of rock or pop music or Serbia? It is simplified, but I haven't seen any argument that doesn't make it any different of the folk music, based solely on your music theory-driven standpoint of view. Ivan for starters, Rock music is already more pleasant to listen simply because singers don't sing out of pitch as often as they do in folk music. Thats my 1st and main argument. 2nd argument would be there is way less trills happening. 3rd would be it has much wider tonality and modal applications. 4th argument is instrumentation and arrangements that are way more creative and pleasant for the ear than turbo folk that irritates my ear when I hear it I can go on and give you more examples why Rock over turbo folk but I hope its obvious by things I mentioned above why these two can't be compared in any way. QUOTE (Bogdan Radovic @ Jul 1 2009, 01:50 AM) Here are some examples Ultra famous folk song : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mYzPQuU2sI...feature=related live version of the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmBMYm_JXmQ Ultra famous rock song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duqxlFZ2kd0 Joe Satriani's "I believe" rip off (sort of) 
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Jul 1 2009, 01:00 AM
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How bout some good quality folk songs where good singers and musicians perform?
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Jul 1 2009, 01:24 AM
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Ok check out this one for example:
Now, is there something musically wrong with this song, for example that you relate with some rock song? QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Jul 1 2009, 01:56 AM) Rock music is already more pleasant to listen simply because singers don't sing out of pitch as often as they do in folk music. Thats my 1st and main argument. Well that is I'm afraid not true. There are a lot of great folk singers that can sing perfectly in pitch, and I have certainly heard lots of rock artists that sing out of pitch as well. 2nd argument would be there is way less trills happening. I don't see how this has anything to do with the quality of the music? 3rd would be it has much wider tonality and modal applications. Not true. Most famous rock songs are in one key, often featuring only couple of chords. 4th argument is instrumentation and arrangements that are way more creative and pleasant for the ear than turbo folk that irritates my ear when I hear it Well, I think it depends what you consider turbo folk and what not? -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Jul 1 2009, 01:48 AM
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I don't feel this discussion is going in the right direction after posting Sweet Child Of Mine as comparison here, but it's OK, I understand your attitude on this one. Sorry for going off topic, we were talking about Serbian music scene and somehow drifted away from that territory.
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Jul 1 2009, 02:04 AM
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As I said, I don't feel that this discussion is going in the right direction, I really don't need any analysis myself I believe everybody is entitled to it's own opinion, and I respect everybody's else here. Sorry again for the offtopic but I think we drifted from the main territory here.
I also feel that some things from your previous post are a bit too aggressive and probably not fairly accurate like the things about me liking folk music, but I don't want to put it in any negative context of course, you have a right for your opinion and I respect your musical knowledge but I don't appreciate the attitude really. Cheers man, I hope everything is OK and you don't find this post insulting or anything that I wrote before this, I'm trying to keep things conversation honest. -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE
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Jul 1 2009, 02:12 AM
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I'm very glad you feel this way now, cheers.
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Jul 1 2009, 02:14 AM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Jul 1 2009, 03:12 AM) I'm very glad you feel this way now, cheers. I felt like this from the start man, have nothing against you really. |
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Jul 1 2009, 02:18 AM
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OK, thanks!
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Jul 1 2009, 02:34 AM
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Appreciate it man, thanks!
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Jul 1 2009, 04:39 AM
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The Serbian's love of this turbo folk music is part of their ethnic identity and it's pretty much ingrained in their genes. It's exactly the same here in America where Mexican descendants go crazy whenever they hear mariachi type music, even if it's highly stylized to update it, it still has the polka accordions all over the place. You hear nothing but that style on the Spanish speaking radio stations all over America. The love of this music gets passed from one generation to the next.
There is nothing at all wrong with this, like I said, it's heritage. But in both Serbian (Balkan generally speaking) and Mexican, if you go back to the orginal forms of the songs, they are quite beautiful. And I agree with Pedja, for me the mariachi music is so repetitive as to be unlistenable. I consider it "junk", but of course it's not. I'm just not wired to respond to that kind of musical structure. And it's really strange how close cultures can be geographically and yet be so different in musical taste. Western Europe went crazy for Jazz in the 1900s just like America did. Mexico is right next to Cuba, and Cuban music is totally different and wonderful, as in Buena Vista Social Club, and there is a good example of going back to the origins of the folk music. But the French gave us Debussy, America gave us George Gershwin and Robert Johnson, and I think the lesson we can take from all this is.... POLKA SOUNDING MUSIC CAUSES BRAIN DAMAGE! 
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Jul 1 2009, 06:15 AM
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Thank God I'm in Norway ! With my skills I would never have been able to pass those exams !
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Jul 1 2009, 10:06 AM
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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Jul 1 2009, 03:02 AM) Do I really need to compare and analyze Serbian folk song to Sweet child of mine ? I think G'N'R members would find it a bit insulting but whatever. Hard to tell man, perhaps they would find Seka Aleksic quite...interesting.
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