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Jan 5 2022, 01:52 PM
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Hi gab,
I am simulating only the first repeating part of the riff.
Do any of these versions have correct notes ?

Audio3Simulation2Version1

Audio3Simulation2Version2

Orignal Audio file 3 is here Audio3Orignal

if not can you please correct these parts, so that I can attempt the rest of the riff.
Also I have a question If these versions have correct notes why are they are deviating from the notes of A7 arpeggio.

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Hi mate, you are close, but it's not perfect. This is the right riff:

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The extra note is the 3rd fret on the 5th string (minor third of A). This note is used as a passing note but this is still a dominant blues. The riff is around A dominant. You can also see this as A mixolydian. In blues context, it's normal to add the minor third so both the minor and major third coexist and give the bluesy sound.

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Hi Gab,

Hi As per your notes I have tried to simulate the full riff with single note playing.

Audio3Simulation3

Orignal Audio file 3 is here Audio3Orignal

If this sounds fine can you guide my study now about how to make it sound like the orignal ?

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This is giving me another idea. Can you also guide me on transforming single note melodies to more impactful by replacing some single notes with chords ?

E.g. How about this melody as an exercise? ( I don't remember where I have heard this tune. Gab, have your heard this melody before ? )

Single Note Exercise1

If this melody is not an ideal example for this exercise please feel free to replace with some melody of your own choice ?

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QUOTE (sumitnxt @ Jan 7 2022, 05:41 PM) *
Hi Gab,

Hi As per your notes I have tried to simulate the full riff with single note playing.

Audio3Simulation3

Orignal Audio file 3 is here Audio3Orignal

If this sounds fine can you guide my study now about how to make it sound like the orignal ?



Yes, this sounds closer. Sometimes the second repetition (the one that connect with the chord change) has a small variation. Try to find out what's happening.

Then, you need to add the double string thing that it's happening. This is simple, the root of each chord is added to the riffing note to get the double stop sound. Does it make sense?


QUOTE (sumitnxt @ Jan 7 2022, 05:41 PM) *
This is giving me another idea. Can you also guide me on transforming single note melodies to more impactful by replacing some single notes with chords ?

E.g. How about this melody as an exercise? ( I don't remember where I have heard this tune. Gab, have your heard this melody before ? )

Single Note Exercise1

If this melody is not an ideal example for this exercise please feel free to replace with some melody of your own choice ?



yes! I've heard this melody before! Could you please share a musical example of what you'd like to learn?

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Hi Gab,

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jan 9 2022, 03:00 PM) *
yes! I've heard this melody before! Could you please share a musical example of what you'd like to learn?


Here is a musical example of what i want to learn.

Basically sometimes simple melody by itself sounds dull e.g. this is a simple melody

simpleMelody

I want to learn the skill to transform such a simple melody into something like this. ( Has chords )

DesiredMelody

So to summarise a simple melody is dynamically improved by some chords in middle but maintaining two points
1. basic tune can be still be heard
2. it can still be played using one guitar

Can we do this excercise using this melody that i have chosen from this GMC lesson by Javier Aviles

it sounds like this

SailingSailingJavier

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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jan 9 2022, 03:00 PM) *
Yes, this sounds closer. Sometimes the second repetition (the one that connect with the chord change) has a small variation. Try to find out what's happening.

Then, you need to add the double string thing that it's happening. This is simple, the root of each chord is added to the riffing note to get the double stop sound. Does it make sense?

Yes it makes sense. I will work on it.

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QUOTE (sumitnxt @ Jan 9 2022, 02:40 PM) *
Hi Gab,



Here is a musical example of what i want to learn.

Basically sometimes simple melody by itself sounds dull e.g. this is a simple melody

simpleMelody

I want to learn the skill to transform such a simple melody into something like this. ( Has chords )

DesiredMelody

So to summarise a simple melody is dynamically improved by some chords in middle but maintaining two points
1. basic tune can be still be heard
2. it can still be played using one guitar

Can we do this excercise using this melody that i have chosen from this GMC lesson by Javier Aviles

it sounds like this

SailingSailingJavier

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Cool! This course covers everything you need to know to be able to do this, so let's get into it: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/lessonser...ing-Essentials/


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Yes, this sounds closer. Sometimes the second repetition (the one that connect with the chord change) has a small variation. Try to find out what's happening.

Then, you need to add the double string thing that it's happening. This is simple, the root of each chord is added to the riffing note to get the double stop sound. Does it make sense?


Hi Gab,
This is another take of mine trying to get the feel of the Audio3 rhythm track Audio3Simulation4
Orignal Audio file 3 is here Audio3Orignal

Regarding the chords
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Thanks for the tip that the chords we are hearing are basically diads with root note . I get that but i need one more help. My ears are hearing the chords at so many places in the riff that i am getting overwhelmed in deciding at which timings during the riff should i play a diad instead of a single note . can you help me with that ?

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QUOTE ( @ Jan 10 2022, 03:04 PM) *
Cool! This course covers everything you need to know to be able to do this, so let's get into it: https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/lessonser...ing-Essentials/


Yes thats a great course, I am working on it at my own pace. thanks, will let you know soon if I have any doubts.

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Hi mate! Good job with the new take. The groove and dynamics are much better now. Well done!

Do you have any software that allow you to slow down audio? If not, I recommend you to download VLC. Try if you can find where the roots are added by ears at slower tempos and let me know what happens.

And please keep me updated about your status with the course!

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Hi Gabriel,
I felt like starting my work on improvisation as a beginner. I found a course by you on the GMC . I think that course is really old so the webcam links USTREAM are not working anymore. but still the theory is pretty good. Also I found good stuff by Andrew and Pedja which i am reading.
One reason I have stayed away from improvisation is I though that there were just two many patterns to remember if you consider Each Mode, Blues, Pentatonics.

I understand that these patterns have to be practiced so much that you can create licks and runs on the fly while playing to a backing track.

But I am going to give it a go by limiting myself with mastering 2-3 pentatonic shapes and practicing chord tones also . This should allow me to play music , improve on improvisation skills without getting too overwhelmed with too many number of scales, modes and arpeggios .

So to begin with I am starting with 3 connecting shapes of Am Pentatonic




I have one question , There are plenty of resources including GMC lessons that teach pentatonic licks. How useful is learning thsese ? do you think I should learn licks to make my improvisation sound better or should I skip them and work on creating my own licks on the fly which i believe i would be able to do if i keep practicing thoroughly with these 3 patterns for a week ?

Also I will continue with the Songwriting Course and the Backing Track Simulation Idea soon because i really think i was making good progress with ear training.

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Hi mate,

Cool! Yes, I remember that course and I can say that I took is as a base to build my recent Lead Basics courses.

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/lessonseries/Lead-Basics/
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/lessonser...Basics-Level-2/

So I think that you can use these two ones as an introduction and complement to the program that you found at my board.

QUOTE (sumitnxt @ Jan 21 2022, 04:54 PM) *
I have one question , There are plenty of resources including GMC lessons that teach pentatonic licks. How useful is learning thsese ? do you think I should learn licks to make my improvisation sound better or should I skip them and work on creating my own licks on the fly which i believe i would be able to do if i keep practicing thoroughly with these 3 patterns for a week ?



The lead basic courses include recommended lessons. I think that you can combine the concepts covered in the course with the lessons suggested there in order to incorporate licks to your vocabulary.

Start working on it, share your progress here, and I'll guide you.

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thanks gabriel,
Can you answer one query if you're still online ?

I find that I am facing an issue as a beginner improviser.
I seem to not pick the preferable phrases when i am playing on the fly

to make it clear here is a small comparision

this is a less prefered phrase
less prefferred phrase

this is a more preferred phrase
more preferred phrase

what can i do to make this better ?

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Hi again!

Nice question! I think that it's a combination of things. The first one is how much your ear is related to your mind and your fingers. If you are trained enough to play what you hear in your mind, your phrases will be more accurate to what you want to hear. This means that you need to practice and work on this connection by playing and singing the notes that you play so you connect your mind with your fingers & guitar.

Besides this, knowing the fretboard and choosing specific intervals over each chord will also help you to get more precise phrases and sounds. For example, the thirds of the chords usually are very sweet and will give you better results than targeting a 4th. This is off course much more advanced, and I don't recommend you to put too much work on this now, but following the chords with triads is a good way to start.

Finally, there are tricks that can help us to sound more melodic... one of the most common is to play melodies using only 1 string. Try it, and you'll be surprised of the power of this small concept.

QUOTE (sumitnxt @ Jan 23 2022, 06:01 PM) *
what can i do to make this better ?


The shortest answer is "Practice". Improvisation is a skill, and requires practice. smile.gif

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Hi Gabriel,
here is my first improvisation.


I added some effects mainly to avoid making it too boring tongue.gif
Please give your guidance. I really need it.

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Nice! Your phrasing is tasting mate. smile.gif

One of the things that you need to work is your motif development. There are some very interesting phrases that are lots because they don't connect with other stuff. You need to make use of the repetition, variation and call and response tools to give your solo a direction, and evolution.

For example, the phrase at 02:17 is beautiful. You need to be able to identify that it's a cool phrase when you are improvising and repeat it, maybe with a small variation, or maybe play a response and then play the same melody with another response.

Imagine that this is a conversation (in this case with yourself).


Also, I'd like to hear your guitar a bit louder in the mix.


What about giving it another shot with this concept in mind?

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Hi gabriel, how are you.
It has been about an year.
I have been practicing some stuff on my own.
I need your help with something specific again.

First let me give you the context.
please watch this small clip from someone's cover of master of puppets solo
right hand technique demo in master of puppets cover clip
The tablature for this portion is here

In the video you can see there are two types of right hand picking techniques that she is using. the first part where she
uses her wrists movements. and second part where she keeps her wrist frozen straight and the movement is done with the forearm.

the technique in first part is how i usually play. i.e i alway use my wrist movements to alternate pick.
Now I am not sure, but I believe the technique in later part is used to generate fast speed when not changing strings frequently.

I want to learn this second technique. because i have been working on this lesson darius alternate picking lesson and have been struggling with high speed 16th notes picking in the lesson.

I think learning this new technique will help me pick faster.

Can you train me to pick like that because I have been playing in a certain way for so long that learning to play this way seems difficult on my own.

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