Major Minor Question |
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Major Minor Question |
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Oct 28 2018, 10:02 AM |
Hello folks,
I know when you play a major scale and its relative minor they sound different, major sounds happy, minor sounds sad but I do think the happy/sad thing is more apparent with chords. What I don't understand is that when I'm improvising they can both sound happy or sad, to me anyway. Can someone explain please. Thanks -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Oct 28 2018, 05:31 PM |
It may have something to do with me. When I improvise I just pay random notes and hope for the best. I don't know how to "control" the feeling of the scale.
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Oct 28 2018, 07:43 PM |
Thanks Todd, I have a lot of musical understanding to gather.
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Oct 28 2018, 09:25 PM |
I always wondered about it because let's say we play just guitar, no backing, no rhythm, just solo. How would the person listening know if you were playing A minor or C major???
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Oct 29 2018, 08:26 AM |
I don't understand. How can you tell if it's major ir the relative minor if you play exactly the same notes in exactly the same way?
Thanks Even played exactly the same, I'd say one could tell the difference. At least I certainly can. Todd Thanks Ben, I'll check it out Marty Friedman explains this in relation to an actual solo, if I recall correctly. It's in his Melodic Control instructional video. -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Oct 29 2018, 12:43 PM |
Thanks, I kinda get that but I didn't understand what Todd said, "Even played exactly the same, I'd say one could tell the difference. At least I certainly can. Todd"
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Oct 29 2018, 07:23 PM |
Todd, is that what you meant buddy?
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Oct 31 2018, 08:11 AM |
Thanks Todd,
I'll study this a bit more in depth at the weekend. Thank you for taking the time buddy, I appreciate it. -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Oct 31 2018, 08:13 PM |
Short answer ... you can't.
If the notes are exactly the same (maj v. relative min) and in the same order - without some type of harmonic 'background' information - then no, there is no difference and one wouldn't be able to tell. The reason that we may want to 'relate' a set of notes to either maj or min is for understanding how that set of notes functions in relation to a backing that may, at some point, be there. Now, we can construct melodies in such a way as to imply major or minor. For example, using the C major (Ionian) and/or A natural (Aeolian) minor (the relative minor) scale, try these two melodies. C D E F E C A B G - for Major. A B C E D C B G A - for Minor. This post has been edited by klasaine: Oct 31 2018, 08:19 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Oct 31 2018, 08:29 PM |
Happy to help Let me know if you have any questions!
Thanks Todd,
I'll study this a bit more in depth at the weekend. Thank you for taking the time buddy, I appreciate it. |
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Nov 1 2018, 09:57 AM |
Short answer ... you can't. If the notes are exactly the same (maj v. relative min) and in the same order - without some type of harmonic 'background' information - then no, there is no difference and one wouldn't be able to tell. The reason that we may want to 'relate' a set of notes to either maj or min is for understanding how that set of notes functions in relation to a backing that may, at some point, be there. Now, we can construct melodies in such a way as to imply major or minor. For example, using the C major (Ionian) and/or A natural (Aeolian) minor (the relative minor) scale, try these two melodies. C D E F E C A B G - for Major. A B C E D C B G A - for Minor. Thanks Ken, I thought I was really missing something, Cheers -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Nov 1 2018, 03:51 PM |
You'd need to emphasis one of the notes as the tonal centre or home. Maybe by lingering longer on it, or if you kept coming back to it more frequently, ending licks on it etc
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