Phil's Diatonic Journey, Personal Mentor thread for Phil66 |
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Aug 29 2022, 10:37 PM
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Thank you for your kind comments Kris and thank you for taking me on as a student.
I'll try to meet the deadline, as always I'll do my very best. Onward and upward 
-------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE  “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Aug 30 2022, 07:19 AM
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Awesome Phil, looking forward to hear what you come up with!
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Aug 30 2022, 09:00 AM
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The one thing I really don't understand is, "Playing the the root note is important as these notes only sound like A minor when we hear them with the root note of A:.
Hopefully something will happen in my brain/ears as we go along. Cheers -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Aug 30 2022, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Aug 30 2022, 09:28 AM)  So why do they sound different? -> Because the root note ( = underlying harmony) is different. Thanks I need to learn to recognise this though, at the moment I can't, I can sometimes recognise minor open chords but I don't recognise major or the relative minor with melodies. QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Aug 30 2022, 09:28 AM) Question to you: If I play the notes of A minor, while my bassist plays the C note, which scale am I hearing? My guess would be C but I wouldn't detect it if listening, never really got to grips with that. Cheers Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Aug 30 2022, 04:50 PM
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I can randomly play all the white keys on my keyboard creating a melody and it all sounds good to my ears, I guess we could call it "multi mode transitional melody creation"
 Seriously though, I've never understood the major/minor feel thing. Bodily we'll get there and develop technique and other skills along the way. I'm making a start with my first task this evening. Cheers -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Aug 31 2022, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Aug 31 2022, 10:30 AM) You can most certainly come up with amazing melodies in the C Major scale (white keys on keyboard = C Major scale). There is no need to understand what harmonies you are playing. But if you do understand - then you will get more control and can start reproducing your best melodies at will, in different settings and keys. And that's the kind of thing that can elevate you to a new level. For example on your keyboard, you could try to also play the A and the E note with your left hand, two octaves lower than your improvised melody. This will make your melody sound like A minor. But if you play the C and the G note instead - it will sound like C Major. And if you start switching between these two, it can sound even cooler 😎 Hopefully we'll get there, I came up with some stuff that sounded good to me last night but my ears are weird. I still want to work through THIS too, I know it's way above my level but I think if I fudge through it and make it recognisable, I can only benefit from it. My main goal when I first started (in adulthood) was to be able to play Surfing With The Alien and Always With Me Always With You, I bought the TAB book with my first guitar, put it in a drawer after half an hour realising "This ain't paint by numbers Cheers, I'll get something to you very soon, just to assess where I'm at. Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Aug 31 2022, 09:07 PM
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Further to my above post here is a video. I'm not sure if this is what you wanted, I'm not comfortable hitting chords while playing single notes.
I guess you can advise one my next move once you've seen this. It's kinda practised improvisation and totally free time. Cheers https://youtu.be/T3_8DuvylvQ -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Sep 1 2022, 10:32 AM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Sep 1 2022, 08:40 AM) Very nice Phil! Not only are those some lovely melodies in the minor scale, but you also discovered two chord shapes on your own. These two:  Can you confirm this "chord diagram" corresponds to what you played from 00:21? Pink color is the first shape (Am), and blue is the second (C5 shape). I wrote the chord names in parenthesis just for you to realise you are stumbling upon new chord voicings on your own. However the names are not relevant to what we are working on now and you don't need to pay much attention to them. That's correct Kris, I was also experimenting with this chord too but my fingers wouldn't go there freely, more practice  I also played it as an arpeggio without the open D. Cheers -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Sep 1 2022, 09:05 PM
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Hello Kris,
Just making sure I'm on track, is this the kind of thing you want? Obviously I need to become more comfortable with moving around the scale and arpeggiating and fingering chords but hopefully this is okay for a first step. I did notice something crop up that is extremely familiar to probably everyone here on GMC https://youtu.be/oXQOQSdpn1I Should I just noodle some more for a couple of days? Cheers Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Sep 2 2022, 08:46 AM
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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Sep 1 2022, 10:05 PM) Hello Kris, Just making sure I'm on track, is this the kind of thing you want? Obviously I need to become more comfortable with moving around the scale and arpeggiating and fingering chords but hopefully this is okay for a first step. I did notice something crop up that is extremely familiar to probably everyone here on GMC https://youtu.be/oXQOQSdpn1I Should I just noodle some more for a couple of days? Cheers Phil Yes, if this inspires you to noodle/jam - that is a fantastic way to practice. And I can def see this triggered your imagination. Feel free to add more single note lines in between chords as well as new chord shapes. Also, as soon as possible - try to play this with a drum beat. But... There is now a major problem now with your scalar practicing. Can you spot it? Spoiler: |
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Sep 2 2022, 10:13 AM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Sep 2 2022, 08:46 AM) Yes, if this inspires you to noodle/jam - that is a fantastic way to practice. And I can def see this triggered your imagination. Feel free to add more single note lines in between chords as well as new chord shapes. Also, as soon as possible - try to play this with a drum beat. But... There is now a major problem now with your scalar practicing. Can you spot it? Spoiler: I had to look at the spoiler as I couldn't think what it was but, to be honest, when I was playing I was thinking that playing the A on the high E I would be good, so does the root always have to be in the bass? I'll find a slow drum groove and practise over that this weekend. I need to catch up with Todd's Bootcamp too. Cheers -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Sep 2 2022, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Sep 2 2022, 08:27 PM) Good question! In order to hear a new scale for what it is - then you need to either start on the root note (which is kinda boring when jamming) OR, you need to hear the root note as the underlying harmony. The later means you need to hear the root note as you are playing the other notes - which is why hitting that low A string is so convenient. So the idea is that you first hit the low A string - then while that note is ringing - you can jam away on the thinner strings. If you can manage this, you will be ready to explore new scales, tonalities and chords. Thanks, Before I read this, I was tonight practising by playing the open A as a drone over my improv. I'll try to record something tomorrow, they're working on the local 4g mast though so might not be able to upload  Cheers -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Sep 3 2022, 08:39 PM
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Sorry, not a video, but here is a take of my latest ideas. Pretty boring, but I do struggle with just a drum beat.
For some reason, SoundCloud always missed the first beat of the count in if it's at the zero point This count in is 2,3,4 Cheers -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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