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Aug 31 2014, 12:48 PM
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Hello all,
Numpty alert  OK I'm doing this lesson https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Beginn...-C-Major-Scale/ and I've pretty much cracked it with the odd fluffed note. I'm trying to play with the backing track that is looped but I just can't get it. On my second time around the rhythm is ahead of me, obviously I'm waiting too long to restart but I'm struggling to find the beat after that final C   I've even sat with the TAB, pointing at the notes along with the backing track and I just can't get it  Any tips? I think it would be a nice idea for the teachers to have the video looped for at least two rounds  Cheers Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE  “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Aug 31 2014, 02:02 PM
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Download it and create your own loop
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Aug 31 2014, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Aug 31 2014, 02:02 PM)  Download it and create your own loop I'm playing along with the loop it's me struggling to play along with the loop not struggling to get a loop. -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Sep 1 2014, 01:16 AM
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Hi Phil. If I understand well, your problem appears when you play the lesson over the Jamtrack and the round starts again. I wonder if this problem also happens to you with other lessons or if this is just an issue with this lesson. I notice that every time the backing starts again on this one, there is something related to drums and chord strumming that makes it difficult. The guitar strum accentuation is different comparing the intro with the drum section so it's tricky to go from the last part of the backing to the intro again. You have to make an internal beat count if you want to keep on playing tight.
A good idea to work on this at first is to create a looped backing track that includes a hihat that maks the beats. I prepared it for you so please try to play over this new version and if you can do it, the next step would be to do the beat count in your mind. 
backing_metronome.mp3 ( 3.8MB )
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Sep 1 2014, 08:30 AM
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Thanks for that Gabriel, I will try when I get home. I have just been thinking about a way to tackle it. I was thinking maybe if I played the last three notes of the melody in the same note lengths as all the others until I can repeat over and over and then try to fit in the last phrase as Bear does it.
I hope you understand and if you do, what do you think about this? Cheers Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Sep 1 2014, 04:02 PM
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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Sep 1 2014, 04:30 AM) Thanks for that Gabriel, I will try when I get home. I have just been thinking about a way to tackle it. I was thinking maybe if I played the last three notes of the melody in the same note lengths as all the others until I can repeat over and over and then try to fit in the last phrase as Bear does it. I hope you understand and if you do, what do you think about this? Cheers Phil yes, this can also work. You can create a loop just with the last 4 measures of the backing and first ones, in order to work as a loop where you are having the problem. Something like this:
backing_variation_2.mp3 ( 2.95MB )
Number of downloads: 84If you have a daw like Reaper or Cubase, you could create lots of variations of this backing that will help you to master the lesson. And off course, Cosmin's suggestions are very important. Practicing over the original lesson is very effective to improve timing. Maybe you can ask Bear for the main video track and create a loop with his guitar sounding... -------------------- My lessons
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Sep 2 2014, 10:41 AM
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Hey Phil
 Please let us know if the suggestions were helpful and if you managed to apply them on Bear's lesson
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Sep 2 2014, 11:09 AM
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Thanks for Cosmin and Gabriel,
I will try later when I get home, have to work late tonight so time will be limited. Last night I had a nightmare with my recording if you check on my Beginners book in Cosmin's thread. I've kind of got the timing (when I'm not recording for you) but I think the loop throws me because the timing of the last three notes is different, this is why I suggested playing the last three notes with the same timing as the sets of three in the rest of the piece then maybe I will come in on time for the second, third and fourth loops. Once I have that down maybe I can then play the last three notes as Bear does. Cheers One step at a time. Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Sep 2 2014, 08:38 PM
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Hello both,
Ok been at it for an hour with both metronomes. I still couldn't get it I think that the change of note length throws me out BUT, I've also noticed, by sitting and counting 1,2,3,4 that the last D in the piece, if I am correct, actually lands on the 4th beat of the last but one bar. Please remember I am effectively a complete novice, even though I've had guitars for years I've just noodled along on my own with no backing tracks just a ton of Troy Stetina exercise books but playing no music. I'm also having to learn how to use Guitar Tracks 4, Cakewalk V-Studio 20, Windows Movie Maker etc. It's quite a lot to take in with the time I have as I'm trying to learn how to do three different skills all at once.  Anyway I've made a double loop with count in and fade out,this is the very first time I've done anything like this so please check it for me. My plan is to have the metronome clicking away in Guitar Tracks 4 and also watch the bar counter for a visual cue, I know this isn't a pure musical way of doing it but I need to crack this even though you don't ask for it to be done in REC Zone, maybe this way the penny will drop.  [attachment=38678:Double_l...fade_out.wav] Please just check I've combined it correctly, I think I have but my head is spinning Thanks for you help and patience gentlemen Cheers Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Sep 2 2014, 09:05 PM
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Must be something wrong with my loop I think as I can't see how to fit the notes in. It's 17 bars long after the count in and that is repeated without the count in.
Please advise Thanks Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Sep 2 2014, 09:40 PM
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Been thinking
should those last three notes (D, C, C) be played when looping? Only asking as they cross over into the 17th bar. If I'm correct, the normal is 4, 8, 16 etc bars.Should those last three notes only be played to end the piece after you have played as many loops as required? I hope you understand what I'm trying to say Cheers Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Sep 3 2014, 08:45 AM
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Thanks Cosmin,
I think I understand, I'll try to make a recording tonight when I get back from a meal with my wife (time and ale allowing )Thanks Cosmin Phil This post has been edited by Phil66: Sep 3 2014, 08:46 AM -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Sep 3 2014, 01:53 PM
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Ok Phil! I'll wait for the new recording. Let me know if you need help with the backing.
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Sep 3 2014, 09:32 PM
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Ok, here is my recording. I know it's no where near perfect for precision on the notes, I am trying to finger the string very lightly now as I was pressing far too hard and making the notes go sharp so sometimes I mute them.
I got in from the pub sorted out the backing and put this track down on the third take. It's a bit late for me so I had to put this up as it is, without trying to make more takes. I will try again tomorrow but I hope you can tell me if I am on the right track. I also know I need to greatly improve my vibrato but for now I wanted to get the track down in basic form, it is pretty lifeless but hopefully that will come with time [attachment=38697:Double_l...h_melody.wav] Thanks for your help gentlemen. Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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Sep 4 2014, 07:16 AM
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Hey Phil!
Much, much better with the fretting! You got the backing right, as well and I think that it's just a matter of practicing this lesson with the right touch which you are getting better at and also working on your vibrato I think this video from Ben will help out tremendously and this lesson from him can also help you with applying the technique in exercises meant to develop it for lessons such as this one you are practicing now Let us know what your thoughts are, mate!https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Bens-Vibrato-Odyssey-5/ QUOTE (Phil66 @ Sep 3 2014, 08:32 PM) Ok, here is my recording. I know it's no where near perfect for precision on the notes, I am trying to finger the string very lightly now as I was pressing far too hard and making the notes go sharp so sometimes I mute them. I got in from the pub sorted out the backing and put this track down on the third take. It's a bit late for me so I had to put this up as it is, without trying to make more takes. I will try again tomorrow but I hope you can tell me if I am on the right track. I also know I need to greatly improve my vibrato but for now I wanted to get the track down in basic form, it is pretty lifeless but hopefully that will come with time [attachment=38697:Double_l...h_melody.wav] Thanks for your help gentlemen. Phil |
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Sep 4 2014, 08:08 PM
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I'm chuffed to bits now I've sorted that out, maybe the loop on the lesson page should be altered as it may confuse others who are just starting out? I'll give the vibrato some going over now, all being well, video will be posted on Sunday. Thank you gentlemen Phil -------------------- SEE MY GMC CERTIFICATE “Success is not obtained overnight. It comes in instalments; you get a little bit today, a little bit tomorrow until the whole package is given out. The day you procrastinate, you lose that day's success.” Israelmore Ayivor |
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