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Nov 5 2008, 11:20 AM |
If McCain hadn't just been a Bush 2.0 and used negative politics against Obama he may have done better. Bush Sr was the first release, Bush Jr was infact version 2.0 And don't underestimate the psycological effects of appearance. With the same politics if Obama had stated to be muslim though it wouldn't affect his work what so ever that would have worked against him. If he had stated being homosexual that could have gone either way, probably downhills with the conservative voters but positively recieved as a factor when reaching for "change". But people would have debated that matter as - We can't have a homosexual president; or - Great, this is fresh to me, I'm voting for Obama. I think psychology played a huge part. Taking in concideration the reseccion and the Bush years which played a big part here. Not so much McCain's fault and you said it yourself, he's a Bush 2.0. You didn't want Bush so you went for Obama, did you concider McCain's politics at all when deselecting him? Maybe you did but I think many didn't. Many wanted change and went as far from Bush as possible. Others just wanted a black president. Some went into the politic stands of each candidate and choose what they thought was the better candidate, well read up on facts and really into the politics. Their votes should count really. -------------------- My bands homepage
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Nov 5 2008, 11:24 AM |
I think most European countries wanted Obama to win. In fact ALL countries in Europe except for Georgia were pro Obama. Or maybe that was all countries in the world even.. I think there was one more that was if not pro McCain at least only a narrow win for Obama. Stay cool ppl! Respect and manners goes here. Don't make it personal -------------------- My bands homepage
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Nov 5 2008, 11:30 AM |
Al Gore would have been an awful president. How come you say that, because of that he values the environment and medical care? -------------------- My bands homepage
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Nov 5 2008, 11:37 AM |
Yes and he has how many cars and houses and how much does he fly on airlines between everywhere? If you checked out his carbon footprint it'd be a massive impact for one person. That makes him a hypocrite. It's like Bono saying he cares about the environment and paying 10,000 pound to have his hat flown in first class to him. That is hypocritical. Don'y you agree? That comes with power,every high level politician or star is acting like that,more or less. Running a country is something else to,public matter. -------------------- Youtube
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Nov 5 2008, 11:37 AM |
Seriously. I've never been called a racist before and quite frankly I'm still extremely shocked by it Don't worry, it's not racism to discuss how votes were divided between races. As little as it is sexism to discuss how votes were divided between men and women. -------------------- My bands homepage
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Nov 5 2008, 11:46 AM |
Yes and he has how many cars and houses and how much does he fly on airlines between everywhere? If you checked out his carbon footprint it'd be a massive impact for one person. That makes him a hypocrite. It's like Bono saying he cares about the environment and paying 10,000 pound to have his hat flown in first class to him. That is hypocritical. Don'y you agree? Al Gore's time is of value. If he can make it from one town to another in 2 hours by plane instead of 5 hours by train that's worth something. We have to accept that everybodys time isn't valued the same, for example being the president of the USA forces you have to be effective and plan your time to make the most of it. If Al Gore takes a plane rather than the train there's still a huge winning on the environment because of what he does with the time gained. Sure, that would in fact spare the environment but probably lots of deals will go down the drain because of lack of time if you sum it all up during a years time, which in turn would have a negative effect in the long run. I think it's not even a valid discussion - as appears also here regarding our politicians - that they should take the train, the tube or a bicycle rather than a cab or a plane. For people in leading positions time is extemely important, we can't force them to be like "us" because "they should live as they learn or they are hypocrits". That's narrow sighted. -------------------- My bands homepage
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Nov 5 2008, 12:55 PM |
In a democratic system the person with the most votes deserves to win. I'm glad to see you think Al Gore deserved to win in 2000 And I'm always annoyed by people shouting that people are being racist but with your text alone and having no sign of manner of talking or the context your post looked like it was being racist saying that black people voted for Obama but this in text can be seen to suggest that black people shouldn't be allowed to vote in huge amounts for him. Now I'm confused. Trust me, that couldn't be interpreted at all from reading the text. Maybe this can be left behind us. Let's instead see what happens with Obama in the oval office? I think we'll see some change after all if he ties the knot together. Raised gas price and environmental taxes will be felt aswell as industries increased expenses for polluting but with lowered income tax that could even it out. If gas price is part of the environmental tax or if it's just for industries. Maybe someone can enlighten me? As a foreigner I'm pleased that he will take his politics outside the borders of the USA and he's dropping Bush's "for or against" stand. I'll be most positive when and if the environmental work shows effect. I think there's a lot to gain there. Also the healt care program should have a humanitary effect, gladdens me that kids in particular gets the mandatory insurance. Overall Obama seem like a liberal leader. I'm fairly optimistic. Not jumping yet but I might if good things start to happen. Many plans, like withdrawing from Iraq has a date set so it'll be easy to measure the degree of success. Please add! This post has been edited by MickeM: Nov 5 2008, 12:55 PM -------------------- My bands homepage
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Nov 5 2008, 01:07 PM |
There is a huge difference between the UK democratic system and US one though. The popular vote didn't win that year because of the American system but that is what I'm getting at Obama won the popular vote by 5% and the american electorate college what not by about 180 points. That is a no contest. Yeah Obama won it fair and square and probably for the better for all of us. Al Gore won the populatiry vote but there was a draw in elector votes while.. oh I don't recall exactly but Bush claimed the win after a recount of Florida by some 500 votes favor. Court judged towards Bush's and Al pled defeat while the next recount showed Al Gore as winner but it had already been settled by then. Not so fair play surely, we can not even know one percent of the game beind the scenes. -------------------- My bands homepage
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