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Niels
post Jun 11 2009, 01:40 PM
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Hi there,

I'm planning to buy a new guitar in about a couple of weeks.
What are the things to look for to know if it's a good guitar? (except the price wink.gif).
At the moment I'm playing on a RichWood Stratocaster. It was a good guitar to start with, but now I'm looking for something with more quality and a warmer sound. I bought the RW cause it was cheap and it was my first Electric guitar.

I like to play Rock music. No metal or shredding, but more rock like U2, Pink Floyd, Kaiser Chiefs, Franz Ferdinand, etc.

I plan to spend about 400 euro.

Any tips? Some recommanded brands? Other things to look for (picks, markers)?

I hope to hear from you.

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post Jun 11 2009, 04:10 PM
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Do you like the sound of Stratocaster? Do you prefer single or humbucker pickups, or you need a combination of both?



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post Jun 11 2009, 04:12 PM
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Well, for warm sound, the gibson Les Paul is often recomended. But, you won't get a Gibson LP for 400 euros, however, you can buy a nice Epihpone LP for that price! Other brands in your range are Ibanez and maybe some Schecters.

Things to look for:
1. What kind of tremolo do you want? LP's offer a stop tail, so no trem. There are also vintage, non-locking, trems, and full floating ones, like a Floyd Rose.
2. you want great pickups already, or are you going to upgrade them?
3. Watch the looks, although there are quite some people who only care about the sound

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post Jun 11 2009, 04:47 PM
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Plug it. See if you like the sound. Make sure it's not the amp's sound that you like, but the guitar's!

Check the guitar unplugged to make sure it doesn't have fret buzz on any neck position.

Check that the electronics work properly (plugged of course). Move the tone/volume pots, make sure it doesn't make undesired noise. Do the same with pup switch & the guitar cable input.

Check the guitar finish. Pay special attention to the the part where the neck joins the body, make sure there are no cracks if it's a fixed neck, or space in-between if it's a bolt-on one.

Check that the neck is not warped.

A guitar should stay in tune.

Be sure to check if the neck feels comfortable. Some are thick, others thin. That's a huge difference.

A good shop should set-up your new instrument according to your needs (gauge, action, etc.)





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One of the most important things to me, personally, is the fretboard radius. F.ex a rounded Gibson fretboard feels so good while I can't get along with any of the Schecter models; they are way too flat.
So if I were you I'd try to feel and find a neck that suits you and try to stick to that radius. Then of course necks can have different thickness but still for me, a smaller radius will always work better.


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post Jun 11 2009, 09:09 PM
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An important thing to look for in a budget guitar might be if it's got a floating bridge. Cheaper guitars usually have terrible licensed floyd roses. I strongly recomend a guitar with a fixed bridge or fender-type tremolo in that pricerange.

There's several brands thats got good budget guitars.. take a look at Ibanez, Schecter and Epiphone or LTD. (Most of the LTD guitars are made with metal in mind, but they do have some good and more versatile guitars too)


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post Jun 12 2009, 09:54 AM
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whooohh... that are a lot of reactions! Thank you all.

When reading all the reactions it raises even more questions:


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Do you like the sound of Stratocaster? Do you prefer single or humbucker pickups, or you need a combination of both?

I like the sound of a strat when I hear Mark Knopfler for example, but my current guitar doen't sound warm. Is this caused by my settings? Is it the guitar? What are exactly the differences in sound when you compare a humbucker to a single pickup? Is it a world of difference or isn't it really that important? I would assume it sounds warmer.
Sometimes I see a pickup with dots in it and sometimes a see a 'plate' (I don't know the right terms for this. Here's a picture where you see them both (Fender Squier) http://www.chrisguitars.com/pickups-squier-tele-set.jpg). Is there an important difference between them?

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A guitar should stay in tune.

How do you know this? Check if the machine heads aren't too lose?

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An important thing to look for in a budget guitar might be if it's got a floating bridge.

I know that I'm a newbe when comes to guitar gear, but a floating bridge means that you have a tremolo? Is it possible to have a fixed bridge and a tremolo? Is a tremolo the same as a whammybar? My current guitar has a Floyd rose and when I use it, it sometimes de-tunes the guitar. Are there ways to avoid this? Is this a typical Floyd rose thing and do other tremolo systems don't have this problem? Is it because it's a cheap guitar?

As you see, I'm not really an expert when it comes to guitar gear (not yet wink.gif ), so I hope you guys can help me further. I'm a bit afraid that the salesmen will convince me to buy a guitar that is not as good as they make me believe it is.

With kind regards,
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post Jun 12 2009, 10:20 AM
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Let us know your budget and watch the suggestions roll in smile.gif
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post Jun 12 2009, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE (FilipofCroatia @ Jun 12 2009, 11:20 AM) *
Let us know your budget and watch the suggestions roll in smile.gif

That will be around 400 euro (560 US dollar or 340 british pounds)


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post Jun 12 2009, 11:48 AM
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Ehm misschien een epiphone g-400. Die zijn geniaal, en velen vinden ze beter dan Gibson Sg Faded.

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Maybe an epiphone g-400. They're amazing, and alot of people think that their better than the Gibson Sg Faded!

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post Jun 12 2009, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE (Niels @ Jun 12 2009, 10:54 AM) *
How do you know this? Check if the machine heads aren't too lose?


I guess it's hard to tell, but since you are going to play it for a while, do some bendings & stuff and check that it's still in tune when you finish.

Truth is any decent guitar out there will stay in tune, as long as it has a fixed bridge. As others already mentioned I'd stay away from cheap floating bridges, specially in this price range.


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post Jun 12 2009, 04:39 PM
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I would recommend a Mexican made Stratocaster...or maybe if you shop around you could even find a good used American Standard Strat. They are all over the place here for that amount of money!

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post Jun 12 2009, 11:46 PM
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QUOTE (Niels @ Jun 12 2009, 10:54 AM) *
I know that I'm a newbe when comes to guitar gear, but a floating bridge means that you have a tremolo? Is it possible to have a fixed bridge and a tremolo? Is a tremolo the same as a whammybar? My current guitar has a Floyd rose and when I use it, it sometimes de-tunes the guitar. Are there ways to avoid this? Is this a typical Floyd rose thing and do other tremolo systems don't have this problem? Is it because it's a cheap guitar?

As you see, I'm not really an expert when it comes to guitar gear (not yet wink.gif ), so I hope you guys can help me further. I'm a bit afraid that the salesmen will convince me to buy a guitar that is not as good as they make me believe it is.

With kind regards,
Niels


A Floyd Rose would be a floating bridge and a floating bridge is when you can can bend it up and down. Ordinary tremolos can just bend down. They are basically only bendable in one direction which can save you alot of tuning frustrations. And a fixed bridge is one that lacks all of these features. It's stuck in the same position nomatter what. With a fixed bridge, tuning problems would come down to cheap tuners or simply a badly constructed guitar with cheap wood.

There is a few ways to fix a bad floyd rose. There's a tool called Tremol-no, which locks the bridge in a fixed position.
But if it's a cheap guitar then i'm not sure how much i would invest in it.
The budget way of doing it would be inserting a small block of wood for example under the Floyd rose to help block it from going in both directions.

I hope this explanation is of help smile.gif

Here's a "one-way" tremolo: http://www.hagstromguitars.eu/fileadmin/_h...ics_Big/FCS.jpg
Typical Floyd Rose floating: bridge http://homepage.ntlworld.com/nigel.roberts...yd_rose_500.jpg
Fixed bridge: http://www.pssl.com/images/ProdImage05/500/VN-XM-54S.jpg



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post Jun 13 2009, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE
I like the sound of a strat when I hear Mark Knopfler for example, but my current guitar doen't sound warm. Is this caused by my settings? Is it the guitar? What are exactly the differences in sound when you compare a humbucker to a single pickup? Is it a world of difference or isn't it really that important? I would assume it sounds warmer.
Sometimes I see a pickup with dots in it and sometimes a see a 'plate' (I don't know the right terms for this. Here's a picture where you see them both (Fender Squier) http://www.chrisguitars.com/pickups-squier-tele-set.jpg). Is there an important difference between them?


You can find most info in our Wiki! https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/wiki/index.php/Pickup for pickups, there are also articles for Single Coils and Humbuckers, just type in the search! In general, Humbuckers sound warmer, fatter and have a higher output (volume). BTW, this "plate" is just a cover, remove the plate, and you'll see the "dots" (magnets). I think the sound isn't enhanced by the plate.


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How do you know this? Check if the machine heads aren't too lose?

If it has a tremolo system, you can just take your tuning device, go crazy on the tremolo and see if it's still in tune! If doesn't have one, it's harder, you can try to play for half an hour, but that's not very normal inside the store wink.gif

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I know that I'm a newbe when comes to guitar gear, but a floating bridge means that you have a tremolo? Is it possible to have a fixed bridge and a tremolo? Is a tremolo the same as a whammybar? My current guitar has a Floyd rose and when I use it, it sometimes de-tunes the guitar. Are there ways to avoid this? Is this a typical Floyd rose thing and do other tremolo systems don't have this problem? Is it because it's a cheap guitar?

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/wiki/index.php/Floyd_Rose for floating bridges, with locks.
really short: this http://www.guitarcenter.com/Ibanez-RG350DX...415-i1395598.gc has a floating bridge, meaning the tremolo can be used to raise, and lower the pitch!
Now a "normal" tremolo bridge like http://www.guitarcenter.com/Ibanez-SV5470-...367-i1396022.gc can only lower the pitch, or sometimes raise it a tiny bit!

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post Jun 22 2009, 08:39 AM
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Hi all,

I still wanted to let you all know how my new guitar buying adventure ended.

Last tuesday (the 16th of june) my girlfriend and I were 5 years together. We went for a nice diner at a good restaurant and when I came home there stood suddenly an Ibanez RG320dxfm ! First I couldn't believe she bought it for me and I was totally surprised. After pluging it in my amp I was still very happy! It has two nice humbuckers, an Edge III tremelo system and also a locking nut to prevent detuning.
Even though I really like the sound and the looks of this guitar I decided to go back to the store to look for other guitars. I wanted to know what other guitars are available and want to compare them. Finally I left the store with the same guitar that my girlfriend bought for me smile.gif
Next week the guitarshop will set up the guitar properly and then I'm ready to rock and roll!

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post Jun 22 2009, 08:42 AM
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That's flippin awesome:D









Where can you get those girls ?biggrin.gif


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post Jun 22 2009, 08:50 AM
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That's great, congrats on your 5 years anniversary and your new guitar wink.gif


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post Jun 22 2009, 08:56 AM
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Thanks for the congrats smile.gif

I got my girl from the supermarket where I worked 5 years ago, you can get the other girl at EIG Muziek in Nijmegen (www.eig.nl). they have really low prices a very big assortiment and good service. Also guitarstrings (D addario EXL 120 0.09 mm) are very cheap there. I bought a box with 10 sets for about 30-35 euro. happy.gif

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Congrats on your girl:) And on the guitar wink.gif


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