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Apr 13 2014, 06:02 PM
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This is 'my' aesthetic ... is the song better due to my solo or parts or approach? Or is it worse?
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Apr 13 2014, 11:34 PM
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Very interesting thread.
i must immediately say that IMO - Shredding Rocks!  Now what I mean by that and how I feel about it? Shredding on the instrument can be perceived in many different ways. I see it as being a "virtuoso" and I suppose we could almost consider "shredding" or "shredder" as a modern term for the same thing? Lots of classical composers we know are also known to come with terms like "virtuoso", "music prodigy" etc. It surely worked out for them to "shred", didn't it? Having great technique on the instrument allows us to express ourselves and basically unlocks all the possibilities. I don't think there is any excuse of not having great technique? We all develop techniques we need and like. Its like learning a language, sure we can just learn 1000-5000 or so words and get by or we can learn all the fancy words as well and instantly be able to express ourselves better, rich with possibilities and ultimately be more flexible and interesting person to have a discussion with or just listen to. What I have seen many times is that shredders get put down for what they can do. I don't think it is fair at all? Cliche thing I have heard is - "I don't play fast, I'm a blues player" or "Nah, I'm more of a melodic player." Does that mean that we should all just become blues players or hide behind the common terms to describe our style? Also, why does a shredder needs to play a melodic solo? Why can't he just shred and what really defines being "melodic"? In addition, if someone can "shred" does that mean automatically that he can't rip out a melodic country solo? We are all different - some of us talk slowly and are moody (blues guy?) and some of us like to drive a Ferrari, go to gym and talk fast and do many things at once (neoclassical shredder?). If its "over the top", why is it bad? I mean check out these guys, the huge smiles on their faces tell it all : I don't think that "anyone" can shred but not anyone can have great dynamics, phrasing, melodic playing etc. Each element requires hours and hours of practice and you can actually do ANYTHING you put your mind to. Practice is so rewarding because of that as you can and need to practice melodic playing as much as playing 16th notes at 250 bpm or sweep picking. In the end, it is all about having fun and enjoying music. One another note - I think that "shredders" get a bad reputation on YT because of all the kids which shoot videos playing sloppy. They do attract more attention (due to speed which is always impressing us all?) but we can find sloppy videos in any genres really and probably in much higher quantity/ratio. All that being said - I think shredders are not appreciated enough. On a side note now: isn't popular music too constrained to "simplified" forms where we as musicians are sometimes afraid to do "more" even when we would like to (I know I did want to do it many times)? If it is fun to me and I wanna do it - why should I feel afraid to do it just because the modern popular song dictates failure with the masses if I do it?  Personally, I think this song form is unbeatable : I also love how Beatles managed to "hide" very clever and complex music into something that appears "simple" to average listener : ...but I also love a highly technical music and performance. -------------------- For GMC support please email support (at) guitarmasterclass.net
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ive been stuck on the same arpeggios for days trying to get it up to speed. ive been feeling like im rushing it and maybe if i give it a rest and come back start fresh it will come together without the frustration. so yea shredding sucks but it sounds so cool 
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Apr 14 2014, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Apr 14 2014, 03:58 AM)  but what I see is people using the" shredders suck ", to get out of practicing , to not take it to the next level.I don't have to achieve that goal cause it sucks, when in reality they don't want to put in the hard work. IMO, if your are not always trying to take it to the next level(in anything you do),Why do it at all I generally agree with this and think for the majority of folks doing music (or art in general) it's true. But, if you really have the gift for musicality, I mean in the realm of a Lennon/McCartney or Kurt Cobain, Jeff Buckley, Muddy Waters, Bob Dylan, Howlin' Wolf or Keith Richards - ? Then no, you don't need a lot of technique. But I'd argue that the aforementioned had a ton of songwriting chops and that's what they focused on. Clarity and personal honesty is important when you want to do music. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Apr 15 2014, 07:03 AM
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I think we all agreed so, it would be a great time to....
 
This post has been edited by Cosmin Lupu: Apr 15 2014, 07:03 AM |
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