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Major Pentatonic over I. You already know it.

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Why does the Penta variation work pver IV? Isn't it? biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Aug 14 2019, 04:42 PM) *
Major Pentatonic over I. You already know it.

Your question is:

Why does the Penta variation work pver IV? Isn't it? biggrin.gif


Thanks Gab,

I know I already know it but I was strictly in student mode and following instructions but just checking to clarify wink.gif

That isn't my question but, I'm guessing the answer to that particular question is because the normal penta scale (A,C,D,E,G,A) doesn't have the F# in it which is from the major scale, but the 7 chord does. Just a guess after looking at the diagrams and looking at the scale generator.

My question was related to arpeggios but after looking for an answer to the question that you thought I was going to ask, I've realised the answer to the question I was going to ask, it was lack of fretboard knowledge which I still don't have but I sussed it out wink.gif

I'll now spend the next few days practising those elements, (If you get a few minutes please check HERE for errors. Then I'll record over the original backing which is in that page. After that, BEFORE learning any more shapes etc, I think it would be good to stick with them but use a different backing track like THIS and then, maybe move onto a different backing with a I IV V progression in a different key, not necessarily pure blues but slow blues-rock or something, and we can try different keys and tempos in I IV V to really get this current set into my fingers so that they never ever leave. Like the A, D and E open chords I learnt years and years ago, I've never forgotten them because I play them every day forever.

If you suggest anything different I'm fine with it but please, Slowly slowly catchy monkey. This current set of examples is more than enough for me, I'm getting old dude wink.gif

Cheers buddy. Onwards and upwards.

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Hi Phil, I totally agree with the plan. No more shapes by now, it's time to make music with the current stuff. (The things that you've showed in video and the 2 new shapes that I've shared in my previous post).

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FOR now wink.gif

Okay, great. I'll be back when I have something for you, not going to rush it, I'm going to let it flow.

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Aug 15 2019, 11:04 AM) *
FOR now wink.gif

Okay, great. I'll be back when I have something for you, not going to rush it, I'm going to let it flow.

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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Aug 15 2019, 03:54 PM) *
hahahah sad.gif it seems that It's impossible to fix me.


Everything is fixable, just change your mindset and start saying, "I WILL say 'For now' and stop saying 'By now'" Remember PMA Positive Mental Attitude wink.gif

Was my answer correct in my last post HERE? Did you like the musical link?

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Only had a short session tonight, had to work late working on that Malware infection that destroyed our server and all connected computers BUT, I really enjoyed it biggrin.gif I didn't feel bogged down and my head wasn't spinning. I think that at the moment THIS is my limit for my brain to cope with so we'll go along with the plan, if my brain starts coping better all that will happen is I will progress quicker with a lighter workload wink.gif

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Thanks for the update mate. It sounds good to me!

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Aug 15 2019, 04:17 PM) *
Was my answer correct in my last post HERE? Did you like the musical link?



The changed note in that Pentatonic Variation is part of the IV chord (the third). This scale is usually called "minor add 6th Pentatonic". This is a lesson based on it, just as reference: LINK.

About the musical link, do you refer to this? LINK

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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Aug 16 2019, 01:19 PM) *
Thanks for the update mate. It sounds good to me!

The changed note in that Pentatonic Variation is part of the IV chord (the third). This scale is usually called "minor add 6th Pentatonic". This is a lesson based on it, just as reference: LINK.

About the musical link, do you refer to this? LINK


That was basically my answer wink.gif Thanks for the information Gab, I'll check it out.

The link I meant was when I said "Many times I thought of just quitting but I carried on regardless. (musical link is underlined wink.gif) " It's pop music but if you listen to their material the lyrics are all about real life and full of humour.

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Glad you like it Gab smile.gif

Here's some more. I'd be interested in your thoughts though, both composition and lyrics. I love the musical intro to "Perfect 10"

https://youtu.be/3Xo80hR-QfQ


Think of you with pipe and slippers
Think of her in bed
Laying there just watching telly
Think of me instead

I'll never grow so old and flabby
That could never be
Don't marry her, have me

And your love light shines like cardboard
But your work shoes are glistening
She's a Ph. D in "I told you so"
You've a knighthood in "I'm not listening"

She'll grab your Sandra Bullocks
And slowly raise her knee
Don't marry her, have me

And the Sunday sun shines down on San Francisco bay
And you realise you can't make it anyway
You have to wash the car
Take the kiddies to the park
Don't marry her, have me

Those lovely Sunday mornings
With breakfast brought in bed
Those blackbirds look like knitting needles
Trying to peck your head

Those birds will peck your soul out
And throw away the key
Don't marry her, have me

And the kitchen's always tidy
And the bathroom's always clean
She's a diploma in 'just hiding things'
You've a First in low esteem

When your socks smell of angels
But your life smells of Brie
Don't marry her, have me

And the Sunday sun shines down on San Francisco bay
And you realise you can't make it anyway
You have to wash the car
Take the kiddies to the park
Don't marry her, have me

And the Sunday sun shines down on San Francisco bay
And you realise you can't make it anyway
You have to wash the car
Take the kiddies to the park
Don't marry her, have me

https://www.letssingit.com/the-beautiful-so...version-kjsr7cd
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And the more explicit version wink.gif laugh.gif

https://youtu.be/GYZfFKDsXHk


Think of you with pipe and slippers
Think of her in bed
Laying there just watching telly
Then think of me instead

I'll never grow so old and flabby
That could never be
Don't marry her, fuck me

And your love light shines like cardboard
But your work shoes are glistening
She's a PhD in "I told you so"
You've a knighthood in "I'm not listening"

She'll grab your sweaty bollocks
Then slowly raise her knee
Don't marry her, fuck me

When the Sunday sun shines down on San Francisco Bay
And you know that you can't make it anyway
You have wash the car
Take the kiddies to the park
Don't marry her, fuck me

Those lovely Sunday mornings
With breakfast brought in bed
Those blackbirds look like knitting needles
Trying to peck your head

Those birds will peck your soul out
And throw away the key
Don't marry her, fuck me

And the kitchen's always tidy
And the bathroom's always clean
She's a diploma in "just hiding things"
You've a first in "low esteem"

When your socks smell of angels
But your life smells of Brie
Don't marry her, fuck me

And the Sunday sun shines down on San Francisco bay
And you realize you can't make it anyway
You have to wash the car
Take the kiddies to the park
Don't marry her, fuck me

And the Sunday sun shines down on San Francisco bay
And you realize you can't make it anyway
You have to wash the car
Take the kiddies to the park
Don't marry her, fuck me

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Another one with great lyrics. In many ways, it's a beautiful song about acceptance wink.gif

The verses of the song - sung alternately by Paul Heaton and Jacqui Abbott - are made up of a series of innuendos using clothing sizes and penis length to illustrate a loving relationship between two people who don't conform to modern stereotypes of physical perfection. The male vocal shows that although his partner is a little on the large side ("but she wears a 12"), she is a 'perfect 10' in his eyes. He also states, "the anorexic chicks, the model 6, they don't hold no weight with me," preferring instead to, "hold something I can see."

Likewise, the female vocal references penis size in several places, suggesting that "XXL" is unnecessary ("Every penny don't fit the slot") and that even when all her partner has to offer is "a poor poor 4, there ain't no man can replace." The numbers in the song that are sung by Abbot refer to penis length, "Big fat 8" is 8 inches long, "poor poor 4" is 4 inches long.

The chorus to the song is sung by both male and female vocals, and confirms the theme of a happy and accepting relationship beyond ideas of conventional beauty, with Heaton and Abbott stating:

"We love our love, in different sizes
I love her body, especially the lies
Time takes its toll, but not on the eyes
Promise me this, take me tonight."

I love the singers' faces in the second verse, cheeky smile.gif

https://youtu.be/js-2cqqY1K8


She's a perfect 10, but she wears a 12
Baby keep a little 2 for me
She could be sweet 16, bustin' out at the seams
It's still love in the first degree

When he's at my gate, with a big fat 8
You want to see the smile on my face
And even at my door, with a poor poor 4
There ain't no man can replace

'Cause we love our love,
in different sizes
I love her body, especially the lies
Time takes it's toll, but not on the eyes
Promise me this, take me tonight

If he's extra large well I'm in charge
I can work this thing on top
If he's XXL well what the hell
Every penny don't fit the slot

The anorexic chicks, the model 6
They don't hold no weight with me
Well 8 or 9, well that's just fine
But I like to hold something I can see

'Cause we love our love,
in different sizes
I love her body, especially the lies
Time takes its toll, but not on the eyes
Promise me this, take me tonight

I've bought a watch, to time your beauty
But I've had to fit a second hand
I've bought a calendar, and every month
Is taken up by lover man

'Cause we love our love,
in different sizes
I love her body, especially the lies
Time takes its toll, but not on the eyes
Promise me this, take me tonight

'Cause we love our love, in different sizes
I love her body, especially the lies
Time takes its toll, but not on the eyes
Promise me this, take me tonight

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Hello Gab,

I hope you enjoyed the music and lyrics above wink.gif

I know I said I wouldn't ask questions, and I don't mind if you say "Wait, all will be revealed soon" I can take that, so I will ask and see what you say.

Why use this E Dominant arpeggio over the V chord..............


........when this has the same notes and is less awkward?


The only reason I thought about it is that I was practising the V chord and the arpeggio whilst looking at the fretboard diagrams, I started thinking, "Hmmm I wonder why arpeggios are different positions to playing the notes of the chord where you actually strum them. I know the G# on the D string is not strummed there but it is very local.

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Hi mate! Thanks for the music! I could get into it yet, but I'll do it soon. Thanks a lot friend!

There are at least 5 shapes for each arpeggio. I've decided to share that new E dominant shape (C Shape in CAGED system) to have all the notes to play the blues in the same part of the neck. There are many shapes and concepts to learn but we will focus on the ones that I've already shared FOR now. biggrin.gif

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Felicidades mi amigo,

It's great that you used "for now", even if you initially typed "by now", you had the awareness to change it, if you typed it correctly first time that's brilliant. You now have to be as aware outside the classroom as you will easily switch back to "by now" subconsciously when your tutor isn't around. I will be watching you young man wink.gif

Regarding the arpeggio, I understand what you are saying and I will go with what you say, I won't go looking at the CAGED system, I know what it is but I'll keep away for now.

I just think that the arpeggio that I wrote seems more intuitive for the V chord and my brain loves intuition wink.gif It just seems to fit better with where the root is played. As I said, I'm not going to wonder off into unchartered territory, I'll wait to be fed the info smile.gif

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Hello Gab,

Tonight for the first time, I've tried to improvise with the new shapes. I've been strumming the chords and playing the shapes after each chord in free time and I thought I'd got them in my head, what a difference the backing track makes, my fingers reverted to the normal pentatonic minor shape over the IV chord and my head completely forgot the E dominant arpeggio.

Back to the drawing board, for now, I need much more time playing over the backing, it's not natural enough to me yet.

Time is still tight at the moment, I'm still working late ironing out the creases after our malware attack at work, one server and fourteen computers all reformatting or new drives, and updating to Win10, sorting out compatible software for data transfer to machines etc, it's a right headache.

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Hi mate, thanks for you update! It will take some time to make all these shapes familiar, but you are on the right track.

Enjoy the process!

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Thanks Gab,

Just to show you I do know the shapes, it's just that they aren't instinctive yet so when I try to play with backing, the instinctive shapes that I know, take over. It's a bit like learning to left foot brake when racing a car, you're fine until you need to stop quickly and act on instinct then your right foot jumps in wink.gif

Here's some footage of just the shapes, let me know your thoughts please.

A Major penta:
https://youtu.be/NHTl0dMb5lQ


Penta to use over IV:
https://youtu.be/Xn_F-AOrYYI


E dominant arpeggio:
https://youtu.be/-zPU76gvpf8


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Excellent! Now it's time to start building phrases!

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Thanks Gab,

Do you think I should just put a click on and not consider following the 12 bar for a while, just strum one of the chords and then play the relevant scale/arpeggio that you suggest, then another chord and do the same, then another etc for now? Just to get more comfortable with it all as I currently still find it hard to follow the chords in the backing. I can try to keep rhythm with the click in my phrases. Or do you suggest something else?

It's a public holiday here on Monday so we are going HERE tomorrow and then onto somewhere I'm sure you'll have heard of HERE until Monday.

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Hi Phil!

Yes, it's ok to try different ideas to work on the chord + phrasing improvisation. You can go for one or two measure for each chord to get more familiar with shapes and experiment with rhythm before getting into the whole blues progression.

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