What Came First? Melody Or Rhythm?
Kristofer Dahl
Nov 17 2010, 12:48 PM
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Today's lesson features nice melodies by Laszlo suitable for all levels of playing.

To me the melody is the most important thing in music - however the way you approach writing music/melodies is not always obvious, so...

What came first? The Melody or the Rhythm? When you create songs what do you typically create first?

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MickeM
Nov 17 2010, 01:03 PM
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For me it's rhythm. But I've been told by my friend that starting with the melody is the approach for making hit songs wink.gif ...and I belive him since he had some success while I had none laugh.gif

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Nov 17 2010, 04:24 PM
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I'm not sure which is first since the rhythm is part of a good melody, but I believe I am thinking more about the melody first.

In general however, I'd have to point out that our very own human heartbeat suggests that the rhythm "came first" when it comes to the "chicken or the egg" style of question.

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Rhythm! Heavy chunky brutal rhythms! Lulz.

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Bogdan Radovic
Nov 17 2010, 07:14 PM
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When I'm composing its often rhythm first but it should definitive be way around - starting with a melodies in order to have strong song (depending on the style you are playing).

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Definitely melody for me too. Melody is what touches my heart in a song smile.gif

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What a killer question! It truly is the Chicken and the egg problem and I don't have a one way answer. I wish I did though. I usually start with rythm and as I'm writing I'll actually hear the lead play itself as if I've got nothing to do with it. Then I record the rythm part and start "learning" the lead as it's written by then and it's almost like I'm just learning it by ear finding the notes as my brain is on "playback".

However, when I'm improvising live, I almost have to turn my brain off and just it happen. Leads are easier for me to do live and off the cuff than rythm would be Writing rythm parts in real time is tough. Melody and lead seem much easier on the fly. So I guess for me, Rythm comes first when recording, melody/lead comes first when playing live.

Great thread smile.gif Well done Kris.


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this is for great debate. But to me, it's been melody. Although I've had interesting results starting with rhythm or harmony,

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Kristofer Dahl
Nov 18 2010, 11:15 AM
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It's funny because melody has always been the big thing for me - however when writing music with Marcus (Lavendell) I learned that starting with the riffs/arrangement actually works better for me... so my advise would be for you to try both.

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Both are equally important, and bound to each other. Silence is just as important as the notes in music.

When composing, it's cool to start from a vocal melody and a riff on a guitar. I believe all good songs need strong melody on vocal and then - good rhythm. Lead guitar lines can be compared to some extent to lead vocal lines - they need to have strong melody and strong rhythm to support the notes within the melody and give them proper weight.

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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Nov 17 2010, 11:03 PM) *
What a killer question! It truly is the Chicken and the egg problem and I don't have a one way answer. I wish I did though. I usually start with rythm and as I'm writing I'll actually hear the lead play itself as if I've got nothing to do with it. Then I record the rythm part and start "learning" the lead as it's written by then and it's almost like I'm just learning it by ear finding the notes as my brain is on "playback".

However, when I'm improvising live, I almost have to turn my brain off and just it happen. Leads are easier for me to do live and off the cuff than rythm would be Writing rythm parts in real time is tough. Melody and lead seem much easier on the fly. So I guess for me, Rythm comes first when recording, melody/lead comes first when playing live.

Great thread smile.gif Well done Kris.


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hi Todd
I am no expert but i believe you answered your own question. I mean... if your are thinking of the melody as you write the rythm then obviously , even though you haven't actually physically written the melody it is still there as you create the rhythm. Perhaps the way you write is the rhythm kick starts your mind in creating a melody and then the process is reversed. i. e the melody automatically comes and you follow with the rhythm.
Anyway i guess we are talking philosophically and it really doesnt matter what u do. The good thing is you are doing something.
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