Nuc Pc, Anyone got any thoughts?
Phil66
Aug 11 2019, 11:15 AM
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Hello folks, I'm thinking of upgrading my music laptop. I don't really need a laptop but I don't have room for a second desktop tower. I've come across these and wonder what your thoughts are.

Any advice/opinions gratefully received, thanks.

https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/p...s-kits/nuc.html

I would likely purchase from HERE something like THIS spec but with 512gb SSD and 32gb ram.

I just want to be able to swap it with my laptop, for the record, my laptop only has 3 usb ports and an hdmi out.

It needs to come in at around £850 before tax.

Thanks in advance of your help, I keep wondering if I'm missing something that is staring me in the face as to why I can't just swap it over, obviously there will be the set up but I'm hoping there is some quick way of cloning the hard drive from one to the other, somehow, maybe huh.gif

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Phil

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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Aug 14 2019, 07:13 AM) *
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GPU I won't argue, its really about the needs but when I assembled my computer at the time specifically looked for a non-fanned option cause didn't care for video/games so avoided extra noise, system drivers and expense. With desktop you can get away with noise by liquid-cooling but for laptop's this has to be given thought, cause unlike a desktop the machine itself is physically closer you and when the time comes cleaning the fan(fans with depending on video card) isn't as easy either.

But for cpu; Theory is about getting the same speed with either a less expensive/weaker CPU by overclocking, or paying more for a non-overclocked newer cpu. In reality this is what the market offers in a nut-shell with gaming vs standard computers (aside video card difference). It's only media company computer's that gets overclocked right from the start but those machines are way out of our budget or needs. You can by the way boost your mac like this too but notice the warning at the end of the video;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FEWgqw4ykk its not intel turbo boost but gives the idea, this won't switch on/off like turbo boost and screw live playing or recording but you have risks.

I'm also sure this overclocking stuff got better since I looked into things deep last time I was in the market but still consider it a (not hardware but system stability) risk. Companies simply don't care much about low latency audio recording when combining hardware or developing various models for the market. We have to be more careful than the average joe.

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Aug 14 2019, 09:13 AM) *
What to do what to do what to do. Option paralysis will probably stop me buying now laugh.gif


Also ask this forum, its very active; https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-compu...thread-292.html

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Just to be clear I"m not suggesting anyone buy an overclocked/overclockable machine for music. Never have never will. Those systems are not meant for music production in general. The only turbo boost I recommend is the Intel built in turbo boost which is just a way for the chip to save energy when not under load, per previous post. wink.gif Phil is recording guitar, mostly direct. So having a cpu fan is not gonna be a deal killer imho. If he were recording lots of vocals and needed a hyper quiet record room, then that would be a different story but even then, a small mic isolator would do the trick, so fan noise from a laptop, probably not gonna be an issue.
I did suggest he avoid intel integrated graphics as they are just a big underwhelming. Most any decent laptop these days will offer some kind of video card that's decent built in to it. Most video editing apps lean more and more on the GPU so it's a good way to decrease render time by having a good GPU and a fast CPU.
I would suggest a laptop over a desktop as the price gap has gotten much more narrow than it used to be and I would not suggest phil build a computer from parts. This is a good way to create headaches that can be avoided and warranty work gets tricky as well. A laptop is easy to move, easy to send back to the vendor if need be for repair or upgrade or whatever, and easy to relocate should one wish to record in a different room, different house, whatever. So yeah, I'd say get a decent laptop and for what you are looking to spend, you can get a nice one smile.gif I'd say go with a vendor that you have heard of before as you don't want some small vendor when it's time for warranty work, should warranty work ever come up.

For example, here is a Lenovo Think Pad for $1400 US with quad core i7, 32gb ram, 500 gb ssd and quadro graphics card. Nothing overclocked, no blaring fans as far as the reviews can tell us, just a blazing fast machine. from a reputable vendor.

THINKPAD


QUOTE (Mertay @ Aug 14 2019, 10:41 AM) *
GPU I won't argue, its really about the needs but when I assembled my computer at the time specifically looked for a non-fanned option cause didn't care for video/games so avoided extra noise, system drivers and expense. With desktop you can get away with noise by liquid-cooling but for laptop's this has to be given thought, cause unlike a desktop the machine itself is physically closer you and when the time comes cleaning the fan(fans with depending on video card) isn't as easy either.

But for cpu; Theory is about getting the same speed with either a less expensive/weaker CPU by overclocking, or paying more for a non-overclocked newer cpu. In reality this is what the market offers in a nut-shell with gaming vs standard computers (aside video card difference). It's only media company computer's that gets overclocked right from the start but those machines are way out of our budget or needs. You can by the way boost your mac like this too but notice the warning at the end of the video;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FEWgqw4ykk its not intel turbo boost but gives the idea, this won't switch on/off like turbo boost and screw live playing or recording but you have risks.

I'm also sure this overclocking stuff got better since I looked into things deep last time I was in the market but still consider it a (not hardware but system stability) risk. Companies simply don't care much about low latency audio recording when combining hardware or developing various models for the market. We have to be more careful than the average joe.



Also ask this forum, its very active; https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-compu...thread-292.html

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- Phil66   Nuc Pc   Aug 11 2019, 11:15 AM
- - Todd Simpson   This one of the NUC mini PCs is just about in the ...   Aug 12 2019, 12:28 AM
- - Phil66   Thanks Todd Do you think a laptop will be better ...   Aug 12 2019, 06:24 AM
|- - Todd Simpson   The "Gaming" laptops (seems to scare Mer...   Aug 13 2019, 12:57 AM
|- - Mertay   QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Aug 12 2019, 11:57 ...   Aug 13 2019, 10:27 AM
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- - Mertay   Maybe you should post in a computer forum. Your fi...   Aug 12 2019, 10:34 AM
- - Phil66   Hmmmm, I know I want 3ghz cpu quad core and at lea...   Aug 12 2019, 11:58 AM
|- - Mertay   QUOTE (Phil66 @ Aug 12 2019, 10:58 AM) Hm...   Aug 12 2019, 01:43 PM
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- - Phil66   Cheers, I'll look for one   Aug 12 2019, 01:56 PM
- - Phil66   Posted here https://homerecording.com/bbs/general-...   Aug 12 2019, 08:38 PM
- - Phil66   Thanks Mertay, My main reasons for the upgrade ar...   Aug 13 2019, 10:59 AM
- - Phil66   How about this specced up to 16gb ram and i7 with ...   Aug 13 2019, 06:10 PM
|- - Mertay   QUOTE (Phil66 @ Aug 13 2019, 05:10 PM) Ho...   Aug 13 2019, 07:26 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   looks like mertay has you sorted. Let us know wha...   Aug 14 2019, 08:13 AM
|- - jstcrsn   QUOTE (Phil66 @ Aug 13 2019, 06:10 PM) Ho...   Aug 14 2019, 09:49 PM
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- - Phil66   Thanks Todd. I'm in that zone now where I...   Aug 14 2019, 10:13 AM
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- - Phil66   That looks great Todd, thanks. I've been look...   Aug 15 2019, 08:39 PM
|- - Mertay   QUOTE (Phil66 @ Aug 15 2019, 07:39 PM) .....   Aug 15 2019, 11:06 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   I"ve never heard of either of these vendors s...   Aug 16 2019, 01:40 AM
|- - Phil66   Cheers, And so you think it will run Helix Nativ...   Aug 16 2019, 10:37 AM
|- - Mertay   QUOTE (Phil66 @ Aug 16 2019, 09:37 AM) Ch...   Aug 16 2019, 10:44 PM
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- - Phil66   Nudging this up, need help   Aug 16 2019, 10:11 PM
- - Phil66   When I tried Native it just crackled and popped, t...   Aug 16 2019, 10:50 PM
|- - Mertay   QUOTE (Phil66 @ Aug 16 2019, 09:50 PM) Wh...   Aug 16 2019, 11:47 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   Should run it just fine. I ran helix native on my...   Aug 17 2019, 12:33 AM
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- - Phil66   Thanks guys, Native isn't the only thing, whe...   Aug 17 2019, 08:19 AM
|- - Todd Simpson   This should sort all of that out. QUOTE (Phil66...   Aug 17 2019, 10:14 AM
|- - Mertay   QUOTE (Phil66 @ Aug 17 2019, 07:19 AM) .....   Aug 17 2019, 12:01 PM
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- - Phil66   Just had a chat with them, 4:30 on a Saturday and ...   Aug 17 2019, 05:14 PM
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|- - Phil66   QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Aug 17 2019, 06:51 PM) I...   Aug 17 2019, 07:56 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   USB 3 is fine for PCs THunderbolt can be had on b...   Aug 17 2019, 10:29 PM
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- - Phil66   Tomorrow I'm going to ask them about it, their...   Aug 17 2019, 11:05 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   Sounds like a plan Only issue is who to blame whe...   Aug 18 2019, 02:01 AM
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- - Phil66   I'll let you know later, I've used Softwar...   Aug 18 2019, 09:48 AM
- - Phil66   I spoke to them, I said I was thinking of getting ...   Aug 18 2019, 12:37 PM
- - Phil66   Well, it's ordered. My current laptop came wit...   Aug 18 2019, 08:56 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   Sorted! QUOTE (Phil66 @ Aug 18 2019, 03...   Aug 18 2019, 10:45 PM
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- - Mertay   Cool   Aug 18 2019, 10:16 PM
|- - Phil66   QUOTE (Mertay @ Aug 18 2019, 09:16 PM) Co...   Aug 18 2019, 10:19 PM
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|- - Todd Simpson   Believe it or not 32GB is the new spec for higher ...   Aug 29 2019, 10:47 PM
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- - Mertay   Any info where its shipping from? OT but I heard ...   Aug 19 2019, 09:36 PM
|- - Phil66   QUOTE (Mertay @ Aug 19 2019, 08:36 PM) An...   Aug 20 2019, 08:31 AM
|- - Mertay   QUOTE (Phil66 @ Aug 20 2019, 07:31 AM) OT...   Aug 20 2019, 05:51 PM
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- - Phil66   Thanks Mertay, Do what exactly does a buffer do? ...   Aug 30 2019, 09:52 PM
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- - Phil66   Thanks Todd, it's something I don't worry ...   Aug 31 2019, 09:24 AM
|- - Todd Simpson   If you use native, your monitors become your amp. ...   Sep 1 2019, 01:41 AM
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- - Phil66   That's how I use my Helix now, through my moni...   Sep 1 2019, 10:31 AM
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- - Phil66   Well after the delay in the chassis shipment it...   Sep 17 2019, 11:54 AM
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- - Phil66   Thanks Todd, Well it's here and it's a be...   Sep 18 2019, 09:06 PM
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- - Caelumamittendum   Maaan, I'm envious! My PC still runs great...   Sep 19 2019, 01:40 PM
- - Phil66   Cheers buddy, I'll check that out   Sep 19 2019, 09:32 PM
|- - Todd Simpson   Enjoy your new rig!!! ToddQUOTE (Phi...   Sep 20 2019, 02:02 AM
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- - Mertay   Some links I found; https://www.novirusthanks.org...   Sep 22 2019, 08:36 PM
- - Phil66   Thanks Todd, It's not my "do everything...   Sep 23 2019, 07:36 AM
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