Nuc Pc, Anyone got any thoughts?
Phil66
Aug 11 2019, 11:15 AM
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Hello folks, I'm thinking of upgrading my music laptop. I don't really need a laptop but I don't have room for a second desktop tower. I've come across these and wonder what your thoughts are.

Any advice/opinions gratefully received, thanks.

https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/p...s-kits/nuc.html

I would likely purchase from HERE something like THIS spec but with 512gb SSD and 32gb ram.

I just want to be able to swap it with my laptop, for the record, my laptop only has 3 usb ports and an hdmi out.

It needs to come in at around £850 before tax.

Thanks in advance of your help, I keep wondering if I'm missing something that is staring me in the face as to why I can't just swap it over, obviously there will be the set up but I'm hoping there is some quick way of cloning the hard drive from one to the other, somehow, maybe huh.gif

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Phil

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Oct 5 2019, 07:57 PM
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Now I'm remembering why I don't like plugins!!!!!!!!! If my Helix LT is on, I can only hear that over everything else unless I turn the output down on the patch. The LT goes through inputs 1+2 (Stereo) on the Scarlett and even with those turned right down I still get the LT sound going through input 3, input 3 is a direct feed (clean) from the xlr output of my Relay G10 so why is the LT coming through that???????????????

Anyway, if I turn the patch down in LT I can hear the Native patch, I can even hear it relatively loud with input 3 down to zero.

I can also hear the dry signal followed in an almost slapback echo time, by the effected signal, this is what is doing my head in apart from the fact that the Helix LT is making its way into input 3 mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif

Thanks for your help with this folks, I hope I can get it working, I was really hoping to be able to use Overloud TH-U at some point if the rig hasn't gone through the window before then.

I don't know if I've done it right but I started LatencyMon and strummed the strings while taking a screenshot. I won't be able to do any more tonight though. Cheers

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QUOTE (Phil66 @ Oct 5 2019, 06:57 PM) *
I can also hear the dry signal followed in an almost slapback echo time, by the effected signal, this is what is doing my head in apart from the fact that the Helix LT is making its way into input 3 mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif


Would be much easier to understand if you unplug everything and only plug the guitar to test software biggrin.gif

But the quoted sentence suggests me that from your focusrite soundcards mixer (should be a separate software for the soundcard) has a routing thing going on that must be fixed.

So even with acceptable latency value's (lets say around 10ms) its normal to hear a slight slapback sort of effect when the direct signal is mixed in.

If latencymon say the system is ok, then likely we don't have to suspect and outside program interfering (can be anything like a pdf program etc.) in an exteme. This is a good sign that narrows a lot of things...just don't uninstall it yet just incase we might need it again. Using its detailed report, we may further decrease latency if needed.

So we have 2 issue's to fix, your focusrite mixer setting (stopping the direct signal bleed) and still we don't know your buffer and latency value's smile.gif when you have time, share those first with us and if we conclude its ok then we'll get into the focusrite mixer.

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Just for testing Mertay is spot on here, take the LT out of the equation just until we get your plugins issues sorted. the LT is just in the way and making things more complicated than they need to be. Just plug the guitar directly in to input one on your scarlett. Bam. Simple. Then add the HELIX plugin to to track you are recording guitar on. Turn on Monitoring for that channel. You should then here the Helix plugin. make sure the plugin is powered on. it should be straight forward, hopefully smile.gif

When you are recording with the plugin, you should just hear the plugin. Not the clean tone and the plugin, assuming you are just using a single track in reaper to record and test the plugin. Use LIVE INPUT MONITORING. Here is a video about setting up your reaper project to use Helix Native. He's using a different interface, so skip that part. He even does a quick bit on adjusting the buffer size to reduce latency. A setting of 128 is ok. If your system can handle it . Try 64.






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QUOTE (Mertay @ Oct 5 2019, 03:51 PM) *
Would be much easier to understand if you unplug everything and only plug the guitar to test software biggrin.gif

But the quoted sentence suggests me that from your focusrite soundcards mixer (should be a separate software for the soundcard) has a routing thing going on that must be fixed.

So even with acceptable latency value's (lets say around 10ms) its normal to hear a slight slapback sort of effect when the direct signal is mixed in.

If latencymon say the system is ok, then likely we don't have to suspect and outside program interfering (can be anything like a pdf program etc.) in an exteme. This is a good sign that narrows a lot of things...just don't uninstall it yet just incase we might need it again. Using its detailed report, we may further decrease latency if needed.

So we have 2 issue's to fix, your focusrite mixer setting (stopping the direct signal bleed) and still we don't know your buffer and latency value's smile.gif when you have time, share those first with us and if we conclude its ok then we'll get into the focusrite mixer.

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- - Phil66   Cheers, I'll look for one   Aug 12 2019, 01:56 PM
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|- - Todd Simpson   looks like mertay has you sorted. Let us know wha...   Aug 14 2019, 08:13 AM
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- - Phil66   Thanks Todd. I'm in that zone now where I...   Aug 14 2019, 10:13 AM
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|- - Phil66   Cheers, And so you think it will run Helix Nativ...   Aug 16 2019, 10:37 AM
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|- - Todd Simpson   Should run it just fine. I ran helix native on my...   Aug 17 2019, 12:33 AM
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