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Jun 23 2010, 10:55 PM |
I think it's possible, but maybe the money will come more from live concerts than from selling CDs, or mp3 downloads for that matter.
If a band is good, and are lucky enough to reach a wide audience, they will sell lots of concert tickets and albums/downloads too. Just my 2 cents Edit: appearing on radio, TV, internet radio is always desirable to get that "famous" status needed to earn lots of cash I guess. This post has been edited by Fran: Jun 23 2010, 10:57 PM -------------------- Guitars:
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Jun 23 2010, 11:34 PM |
So who would be an example of this?? It seems like that back in the 80's and 90's the "stadium tours" were a direct result of large album sales. With downloading you don't get the kind of album sales that are required to put on huge tours. I just don't see how you can generate the kind of money that the bands back in the day could with illegal downloading now. I'm not a professional musician but this is what it seems like to me. How come Guthrie Govan..... who is arguable the best guitarist on the planet.....hasn't done a tour? It just seems like the days of making A LOT of money doing music is over. I wouldn't be so sure. Downloading has maybe diminished actual physical CDs sales BUT that same advance of technology and internet brought some other advantages along. Now you can reach from your home a much wider audience that you could ever before downloading was popular. You can get much more exposure through internet then through any record company/stores/tv/radio. I think that things look great for musicians nowadays and CD format is getting old by every day. Bands fill stadiums nowadays too and their music reaches more people resulting better live shows (more people buying tickets). Guthrie Govan is great but everything really depends a lot on popularity of the music he plays not the individual quality of musician. There are so many musicians today that don't make it or get recognition but that was situation before and it will always be. Its not just talent, promotion and other skills really make the difference nowadays.... This is really complex issue. Generally I think its cool to be a musician in this modern age where you can become famous over night if you make a cool youtube video. Though I would also like my bands physical CDs to be sold more as its not the same having a original CD with packaging and everything and a digital file on your PC... But we all have to adapt to new market.... -------------------- For GMC support please email support (at) guitarmasterclass.net
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Jun 24 2010, 04:29 PM |
I don't think bands can get as big as they got in the 80s 90s,
but that doesn't mean they will do good money, just not as much, Music will always be there, and will always have a demand, -------------------- Visit my:
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Jun 24 2010, 07:30 PM |
Rename your album which got leaked...
System of a Down - Steal This Album! Include a cool cd cover: The album comes in a normal CD jewel case without a booklet, only the CD. On the CD and the back of the case, it looks like it has been written on with a black permanent marker pen, in faux-bootleg style to make it look like it has been pirated. This is an obvious response by the band to the people who leaked the original Toxicity II CD. I would say go with it, you can't fight it or you just get hated (for example metallica fans with Napster). The more your music gets out their, the more go to your contests and actual fans will buy the album to collect if it's good quality. It's free advertising? Metallica sales are huge, and are pirated the most around the world. You can either look at the glass half full or half empty. Would they have made more sales without it, I don't think so... People which like it, will still buy it. Maybe a smaller percentage of the entire crowd, but a way larger fan group around the entire world, so you probably make more sales than you would without people knowing/sampling/stealing your album. For basic example: 90% of million sales or 60% of a billion+ sales you do the math. Question: Stereogram has not been pirated, also using a name which if searched finds a number of unrelated links, but how many of you know them? And yeah they are pretty good sounding. Zero world marketing. This post has been edited by Azzaboi: Jun 24 2010, 07:49 PM -------------------- Play Games Arcade Take a break, Play Games! Play the best free online flash games at Aaron's Game Zone like Bloons Tower Defense 4! |
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Jun 24 2010, 08:00 PM |
You buy it to collect and it's better quality!
Some people pirate it, listen, then the next day go buy it. Why? Well to support the band and because nothing can beat an original. It was a good way to sample the music. For those people that don't, they might of never brought it or heard about it in the first place anyways. I'm not saying everyone would, but more people = more fans for your contests and more sales in the long run. Also note not as many people use CDs anymore. It's more a collectors item. I would probably check them on TV music channel then a leak on youtube. Download it for the iPod, buy for the car. This post has been edited by Azzaboi: Jun 24 2010, 08:02 PM -------------------- Play Games Arcade Take a break, Play Games! Play the best free online flash games at Aaron's Game Zone like Bloons Tower Defense 4! |
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Jun 25 2010, 01:42 AM |
So we're back in the pirating discussion again...
By analyzing things over time, I just want to point out that I don't think things really changed that much. Competition - the competition amongst musicians today is just greater of one reason, we are simply more people on the planet now than before. However, since its cheaper to produce an album today due to technology, the competition seems to be stiffer, but its actually not. Peoples behaviour consuming music has changed and therefore its a lot more stress to be a musician today than 50 years ago imo. Pirating - In the 70'ths everybody was pirating by copying down albums to cassete. Did the music business go down the drain because of that? No, of course not. Like all industries they found other marketing strategies and continued to grow. Today, they complain that their SALES are less than before. That might be true, but that doesn't mean that their revenues are less. Instead of putting out an album with a popular artist every other year, they just adjusting the interval, so we can have a new album every year = their revenues will probably also increase. Also they will find new ways to distribute music by licensing songs, increase the prize for the rights to radio stations, hospitals etc. I dont think the labels suffer that much they are wining about. Musicians making money - In the beginning of the 70'ths Rolling Stones made some 5-6 million dollars a year, just the MUSICIANS. Today, I heard that they were making 60 million dollars on their latest U.S tour just by selling tickets & merchandise. The wages for musicians under the top is still lousy, and has always been, eg. the record companies drinking the musicians blood. I think that live music will be more popular in the future, which is a positive thing since untalented-plastic-record-company singers never will make it to the large venues. Talent vs. Money - If You wanna get rich on music - dont be a musician. Start a record label instead. There are simply so many great, talented musicians that never had a break in the history, so the chance to make a "breakthrough" is minimal. You will need a lot more than talent, eg. the looks, luck, play the right music in the right time, be in the right band, sleep with the record company's owners daughter etc...... However, things are changing, but not in the pace it should. And I think that even that there are many musicians around, there have never been so many opportunities to market Yourself and Your music as nowadays - the 10.000 dollar question is: Will people like it??? //Staffay -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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Jun 26 2010, 02:26 PM |
Thanks for your thoughts on this Bogdan. So what recent bands would you say are making the kind of money that say Def Leppard or any of the other popular bands in the 80's and 90's are making? It seems like you can make a living but just not to the extent that you could back in then. Have you seen newer tours/shows of Iron Maiden, RHCP, Metallica, Rolling Stones, Franc Ferdinand, Madonna... I actually think that nowadays there is much more money invested into love shows (sponsors, TV broadcasting, different rights etc)... Trend of the future seems to be shifting towards live shows which is a great thing. I don't think band's ever lived out of record sales only (some did like Beatles who performed live for a short period). Also you have to think in larger scale, famous bands do sell large quantities of CDs, merch, limited edition CDs and also DIGITAL downloads. I think that CD medium is getting too old nowadays and that is the only problem with record companies. Once they figure out the new one for the future and also marketing strategy it will be O.K. What Vasilije pointed too, artist revenues on CD sales are minimal (most of it goes into the production of CD medium,distribution, record company etc) so you can't rely on that. Now regarding comments of sacrifice - that is like with anything in life. If you want to be a touring musician you need to sacrifice your "home" and be ready to live on the road.... Its tough to make it as a musician. But its not impossible and I strongly believe that the most part of it is up to you. If you believe in what you are doing and you are persistant to getting your goals (dreams) accomplished - you will. Just work on it and never stop! -------------------- For GMC support please email support (at) guitarmasterclass.net
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Jun 27 2010, 03:12 AM |
Everything works the same way, only through different channels, and the music has changed quite a bit too. These days we have new music that is mostly programmed, new bands that fill arenas and stadiums, and communicate with audience on completely different level, through internet. But the essence is the same - make music, sell music. Today you sell it via download service, and sell tickets online for upcoming show. It's as simple as that. And yes, you can make more money, only the money/income is being generated on different places using different methods that are important TODAY.
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