Singing While Playing, Any tips or secrets? :) |
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Feb 13 2010, 12:28 PM
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To those who sing while playing ... How do you do it???
Especially singing while picking different shapes of chord progressions ... How do you separate or connect your playing from your singing in your head?? I only saw one lesson here but it's quite hard for me to sing while playing such picking patterns .. Where to start and how to develop it? Wish we had more lessons on this topic. -------------------- "If the need is deep, you WILL find a way , if it isn't, you'll find some excuse"
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Feb 13 2010, 12:48 PM
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QUOTE (Marek Rojewski @ Feb 13 2010, 10:41 PM)  I can sing and strum, but when more difficult fingering patterns or picking patterns are necessary, than I often struggle with it. If it comes to strumming and singing, than I had no idea how I learned it, just started doing both things (well at first the chords and songs were few and easiest). When things are more difficult You need to learn one of the things at first very good, and than try to do it along the second thing, or learn both things separately and then connect them. Thanks man .. You are right .. I know one has to do both seperately perfectly first and then link em but it's just a bit hard and I'm missing that link to connect them together... im ok with simple strummin too but it all goes wrong when individually picking chord notes or when difficult riffs are involved. My brain is too used to focussing on only one thing at a time. -------------------- "If the need is deep, you WILL find a way , if it isn't, you'll find some excuse"
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Feb 13 2010, 01:29 PM
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if the fingerpicking pattern is tricky, then it takes a while to get down. try to know which word comes on what note. then itll slowly help
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Feb 13 2010, 01:51 PM
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Ummm.... This is a very hard topic..... Since You neither want to sound like a singing guitarist or a guitar playing singer, both must be in equal balance. The problem here is really that singers tends to squeeze the rhytm a little, eg. they are singing a little after or a little before the actual beat, and if You shall simoultanesly play guitar tight, its hard.... So I believe that a compromise must be made here, both in the singing and the guitar playing. For me, the ultimate goal is to make it sound like You're doin it in symbiosis - like Hendrix did for instance.
Personally I always tries to learn the guitar part first so I can play it in my sleep... (or at least THINK I can...  ) Then its easier to put the singing on top of it. But its really a matter of how You prefer to learn things, one must really find his/her own way here.//Staffay --------------------  Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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Feb 13 2010, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Feb 13 2010, 02:02 PM) If you're OK with strumming and singing then you're halfway there. Now it comes down to that same old, same old..... PRACTICE!  As you already said, it's a matter of having both parts correct to start with and then super-imposing the singing on top of the playing.  Off-topic: What are my former mother-in-law doin in Your profile Jones???? 
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Feb 13 2010, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE (Staffy @ Feb 13 2010, 02:10 PM) Off-topic: What are my former mother-in-law doin in Your profile Jones????
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Feb 13 2010, 03:37 PM
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QUOTE (Sensible Jones @ Feb 13 2010, 02:17 PM) She's just there to keep an eye on you!!!  Ooohhh noooo , trapped AGAIN !!!!
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Feb 13 2010, 06:52 PM
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start with Nirvana!
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Feb 14 2010, 05:30 AM
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Thanks Everyone... these are really helpful tips .. I appreciate all your replies.. Keep em coming.
This is indeed a very difficult skill and I'll work on developing it. Yes, everything boils down to practice.. and achieving that unison head of doing 2 things without thinking much about either .. Ok, im begining to get a headache now Based on everyone's input, I've developed this learning path, let me know what you guyz think or suggest any modifications etc. Level 1-3. words change where chord changes and the chord strumming remains the same .. Yes, most of Nirvana is like this.. 4 chords and also as you suggested... Paranoid (perfect example of this) and some other acoustic songs (these are your usual songs that hot chicks with guitars like to sing .. they mostly play 4 chords and focus on singing... and also focus on looking HOT )Level 4-6. singing on riffs ... rock/metal .. gallop riffs in maiden along with simple chord rings in their chorus can be a good practice for this level. Level 7-8. Singing on picked notes. Starting with simple arpegios changes and humming over them. Once comfortable, with picking patterns and 'humming', substituting them with words and lyrics.. Then for the next level.... the start melody of this lesson is a perfect example to practice. Then for even harder level .. try songs like Creed - one last breath and sing over that intro picking. Level 9-10. Songs and melodies where the start and end of words is not following the start and end of chords ... and singing with difficult riffs like songs from Megadeth. Hmm .. those do indeed look difficult If I'm able to learn this technique (big IF ) , I'll try to create a student instructor on this, just a thought.
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Feb 14 2010, 07:14 AM
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Many great responses here already but thought I'd offer a suggestion. I play rythm and sing for my band. Here's how I learn to play and sing.
1- Pick the song and isolate the rythm parts that you would be playing. 2-Play those bits until you can play them naturally (out of habit) 3-Listen to the song and memorize the timing between the vocals and the guitar 4-PRACTICE lol It really is hard at first but this is how I do it and honestly the more songs you learn, the easier it becomes and after a while it'll take you no time to get a song down 100%. Best of luck! QUOTE (zen @ Feb 13 2010, 12:28 PM) To those who sing while playing ... How do you do it??? Especially singing while picking different shapes of chord progressions ... How do you separate or connect your playing from your singing in your head?? I only saw one lesson here but it's quite hard for me to sing while playing such picking patterns .. Where to start and how to develop it? Wish we had more lessons on this topic. I just noticed this reply that you posted and how you mentioned the riffs by Megadeth and I completely agree! They are incredibly difficult depending on the song. For a really good practice of how to play and sing with a song that has wierd timing, chords, etc, I highly recommend Holy Wars...The Punishment Due. If you like I can send you a vid with a demonstration of how to do it. That's only if you want though QUOTE (zen @ Feb 14 2010, 05:30 AM) Thanks Everyone... these are really helpful tips .. I appreciate all your replies.. Keep em coming. This is indeed a very difficult skill and I'll work on developing it. Yes, everything boils down to practice.. and achieving that unison head of doing 2 things without thinking much about either .. Ok, im begining to get a headache now Based on everyone's input, I've developed this learning path, let me know what you guyz think or suggest any modifications etc. Level 1-3. words change where chord changes and the chord strumming remains the same .. Yes, most of Nirvana is like this.. 4 chords and also as you suggested... Paranoid (perfect example of this) and some other acoustic songs (these are your usual songs that hot chicks with guitars like to sing .. they mostly play 4 chords and focus on singing... and also focus on looking HOT )Level 4-6. singing on riffs ... rock/metal .. gallop riffs in maiden along with simple chord rings in their chorus can be a good practice for this level. Level 7-8. Singing on picked notes. Starting with simple arpegios changes and humming over them. Once comfortable, with picking patterns and 'humming', substituting them with words and lyrics.. Then for the next level.... the start melody of this lesson is a perfect example to practice. Then for even harder level .. try songs like Creed - one last breath and sing over that intro picking. Level 9-10. Songs and melodies where the start and end of words is not following the start and end of chords ... and singing with difficult riffs like songs from Megadeth. Hmm .. those do indeed look difficult If I'm able to learn this technique (big IF ) , I'll try to create a student instructor on this, just a thought.-------------------- "Baptized in a firefight. Hot blood running cold as ice. 44 minutes of target practice. All hell's breaking loose.
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Feb 14 2010, 07:29 AM
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QUOTE (BM @ Feb 14 2010, 05:14 PM) I just noticed this reply that you posted and how you mentioned the riffs by Megadeth and I completely agree! They are incredibly difficult depending on the song. For a really good practice of how to play and sing with a song that has wierd timing, chords, etc, I highly recommend Holy Wars...The Punishment Due. If you like I can send you a vid with a demonstration of how to do it. That's only if you want though Thanks for your suggestions man. Holy Wars is one of my fav songs amongst many others from Megadeth but I would'nt attempt to sing it while playing coz it's way too hard and not within my range either.. I can play it's riffs, as long as i keep my mouth shut ..Gotta start from the simple stuff first and then build it up. But would love to see the video demonstration you talk about.. I can see your technique.
This post has been edited by zen: Feb 14 2010, 07:52 AM -------------------- "If the need is deep, you WILL find a way , if it isn't, you'll find some excuse"
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