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Kristofer Dahl
post Jan 16 2011, 01:05 PM
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Drug addiction has overpowered many bands. Which band has suffered the greatest lose due to drug addiction in your opinion?


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post Jan 16 2011, 01:56 PM
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Drug addiction has overpowered many bands. Which band has suffered the greatest lose due to drug addiction in your opinion?

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post Jan 16 2011, 02:21 PM
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post Jan 16 2011, 02:36 PM
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post Jan 16 2011, 03:11 PM
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It's not really a matter of comparison, but besides the already mentioned bands I'd say Nirvana.

By the way, what do you people think about drugs and music? If we were to consider a situation where using drugs (alcohol included) hasn't become an addiction, do you believe it can affect the band's music either positively or negatively? By this I mean to close out the option "negatively, because drug addiction is a problem" argument - we all know people can drink without becoming alcoholics etc. Can we draw such lines at all? Many famous musicians and bands (Doors, Pink Floyd, Santana...) have been inspired by drugs - what kind of an effect can it have, or does it affect at all?
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post Jan 16 2011, 03:34 PM
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I don't like the idea of being inspired by something that puts you in an artificial and temporary state of mind, It doesn't feel honest in a way. Besides the fact that no one can be high and maintain an outward appearance of intelligence, If you honestly need a drug or other substance in order to write music, then your just lazy in my opinion.

Sure, I listen to some music where I know the musicians were on drugs when they wrote music, and to a degree I have less respect for them for that (and in some cases, I plain don't like the music), but I honestly believe they could of written something just as good if they just took the time to do it without drugs. Plus, since it kills a lot of people off, whats the good in the first place? Why make something temporary when it could last so much longer?

I know it has an effect, I unfortunately come from a family where drugs have hurt a lot of people, and in some cases gotten them killed. I can personally vouch that the universe and music would just be better without them.

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post Jan 16 2011, 04:00 PM
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Drugs "helped" in creating much good music that wouldn't be created otherwise. Also I don't think drugs alone can kill anyone. Knifes are much more lethal than drugs, yet people don't stab themselves or each other all the time. Most probably a person that has a "drug problem", had or would have another problem anyway.


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post Jan 16 2011, 04:53 PM
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I'd say Nirvana (if we wanna blame Kurt's death exclusively on drugs...which we shouldn't) and the Doors.
As for what The Uncreator said:
As I can tell by experience now that feelings or emotions (good and bad ones) really burst your creativity to another level. I don't have any experience with drugs at all, but isn't the point of taking them to reach another state of conciousness, just like when you are in love or full of joy or in deep sorrow or anger?
My point is, I think some people can write better music when thy are not "down to earth" emotionally...and if they need drugs to reach another state of conciousness, it's their decision.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be pro-drugs here, as I know how bad they are in most cases, but I wouldn't have less respect for someone who wrote a great song under the influence of drugs.
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post Jan 16 2011, 09:18 PM
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Drugs and alcohol aren't required to write good music, but does that mean drugs and alcohol can't inspire good music? Hardly. Drugs change the way the mind works, and this change in mental functions can produce interesting results that can never be achieved without them. Most of the good music from the 60's was drug fueled, and without those drugs I don't think the music would've been the same.

Now that that has been established, I don't think heavy and/or long term drug use is beneficial in any way. In fact, it almost always proves to have devastating consequences. Just about every single musician that was famous for hard drug/alcohol use has either burnt out or died, with the exception of Kieth Richards biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Jan 16 2011, 08:34 AM) *
I don't like the idea of being inspired by something that puts you in an artificial and temporary state of mind, It doesn't feel honest in a way. Besides the fact that no one can be high and maintain an outward appearance of intelligence, If you honestly need a drug or other substance in order to write music, then your just lazy in my opinion.

Sure, I listen to some music where I know the musicians were on drugs when they wrote music, and to a degree I have less respect for them for that (and in some cases, I plain don't like the music), but I honestly believe they could of written something just as good if they just took the time to do it without drugs. Plus, since it kills a lot of people off, whats the good in the first place? Why make something temporary when it could last so much longer?

I know it has an effect, I unfortunately come from a family where drugs have hurt a lot of people, and in some cases gotten them killed. I can personally vouch that the universe and music would just be better without them.

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Sorry, It got kind of personal there at the end laugh.gif



Very well said, imo wink.gif I don't agree with drugs. It's not good for the body.


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post Jan 16 2011, 10:30 PM
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To sum something up, my personal opinion is that great music can always be made without any kind of an "artificial high" - though the idea of artificiality is quite interesting here, since our brain produces "drugs" on its own, too. For example, when listening to music or having sex. And on the other hand, even if the emotions were created artificially, they are real emotions and real thoughts nonetheless. Doesn't make them any less meaningful to me.

Drugs can give ideas and new approaches, but that doesn't mean those approaches can't be reached without them. Drugs can help being artistic, but they must never be the only way. That's the wrong way to look at things. "Say know to drug use, say no to drug abuse."

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post Jan 16 2011, 11:35 PM
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I thought id toss in SUBLIME as a pretty big loss for music in general. Not a band full of great musicians by any stretch, but the lead singer was arguably a great songwriter cut down by his heroin addiction. Oddly enough, he started doing heroin as an "experiment" because his music idols all used heroin. That's maybe the saddest part. A musician thinking they have to use drugs to make great music because their heros used drugs and made great music. The assumption of a causal relationship there is just tragic.


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post Jan 17 2011, 09:14 PM
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Hillel Slovak from RHCP for example. He was so young and talented. sad.gif But so many bands lost their members to drugs. I think drugs come with money and easy access. I don't think they make you any more creative or show you a new way or as so many think - enable you to do anything easier/faster/better then you would normally do.


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post Jan 18 2011, 12:21 AM
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It's hard to say really, but all the musicians that used drugs a lot suffered one way or another.


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post Jan 18 2011, 03:09 PM
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Yeah, it's sad to see talented musicians ruin it all for drugs.


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post Jan 18 2011, 03:22 PM
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I too think it is very sad that drugs have been associated strongly with rock based music. All this "live fast, die young" stuff is just so pointless... we've lost many great musicians because of that. Nothing beautiful in it.
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